10-02-2005, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by annacattiva If, however, I were watching women's fencing having been trained only by male fencers who in turn didn't quite comprehend the women's game (which for a while I was), I suspect that I would find the game elementary and boring, and wonder why they weren't doing the more interesting things that I had been taught. This not because there was no skill involved in the game, but because I was looking for a different kind of skill, a different set of moves, a different set-up, which wasn't present in the game. I think that trying to look for the same clever and creative fencing in women's fencing that you find in men's is going to be almost perpetually disappointing, just as trying to find the nuances and strategies of women's fencing in men's fencing would be. | You make some great points throughtout your post. I find the last paragraph sums up what a lot of us are saying.
As for guys not finding us entertaining enough... frankly I don't give a rats a$$. I fence because I love to fence. I enjoy watching women's epee and if others don't that's okay... I hate watching golf and a whole bunch of sports that others enjoy. Different strokes for different folks.
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10-02-2005, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! You're sucking up to the women on this board to not seem like a sexist bastard. Unless the women in your part of the country are significantly better then those in mine, and the men are significantly worse. The fact is that most women just suck at fencing. Why do you think all the really good women want to fence the men? | dfp, in your division, every national champion has been a woman. every fencer on a national team has been a woman, the rate of national medals women to men is about 15 to 1 | |
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10-02-2005, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jessicasimpson dfp, in your division, every national champion has been a woman. every fencer on a national team has been a woman, the rate of national medals women to men is about 15 to 1 | Yeah, I know. Whats your point?
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10-02-2005, 06:16 PM
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| *Fencergrl high fives Jes*
Nice research grrrl!
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10-02-2005, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! Yeah, I know. Whats your point? | Yes I know DFP... I'm sure those women's achievements mean nothing if they don't have your approval.
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10-02-2005, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! Yeah, I know. Whats your point? | my point is women are better fencers in your part of the county. the stats show, about 15 times better | |
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10-02-2005, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Fencergrl Yes I know DFP... I'm sure those women's achievements mean nothing if they don't have your approval. | I dont think you even know who we're talking about. He didnt have a point, other than that kristin and case have been national champions and made national teams, and that no males in the state have.
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10-02-2005, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jessicasimpson my point is women are better fencers in your part of the county. the stats show, about 15 times better | Right. Its pretty clear that szarwark would kickify any male epeeist in the state. In foil though, how about kristin vs jeff breen?
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10-02-2005, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! I dont think you even know who we're talking about. He didnt have a point, other than that kristin and case have been national champions and made national teams, and that no males in the state have. | I hate to say it DFP, but ole Jessica here is correct in saying that on the national level..females have been a lot more successful than us males. That just means we have to fix that.
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10-02-2005, 06:31 PM
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| Back up your argument with facts--jack. As far as I can see Jes, is winning this round.
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| Don't forget Steffie Eim - she was in Tennessee for a while.
DFP, take a few deep breaths and move on from this one.
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10-02-2005, 06:33 PM
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| You fence in canada. Shutup.
National success doesnt work cross gender wise. Its like comparing apples to oranges!
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10-02-2005, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! You fence in canada. Shutup.
National success doesnt work cross gender wise. Its like comparing apples to oranges! | I fence in Canada & the USA... and possibliy in Europe next year. Still doesn't change the fact you're losing the argument. 
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National success doesnt work cross gender wise. Its like comparing apples to oranges!
| So if national success doesn't cross gender lines, then how can you assume that fencing styles and techniques should? | |
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10-02-2005, 06:38 PM
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| DFP,
Repeat after me...
Seperate but equal
Seperate but equal
Seperate but equal.
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It will make more sense when you are older.
Until then just follow my lead.
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10-02-2005, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by annacattiva So if national success doesn't cross gender lines, then how can you assume that fencing styles and techniques should? | Because when you watch womens fencing, in comparison to mens fencing, you can see that the differences in timing, distance control and tactics. I'm out of this thread.
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10-02-2005, 06:48 PM
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Because when you watch womens fencing, in comparison to mens fencing, you can see that the differences in timing, distance control and tactics. I'm out of this thread.
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10-02-2005, 06:49 PM
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| I didnt mean it that way.
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10-02-2005, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! I didnt mean it that way. | the point is that when it really matters,(nac's, national championships, world championships) women have been able to perform when it was really important. this makes them better fencers. comparing national results is the only way to compare. | |
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Originally Posted by jessicasimpson the point is that when it really matters,(nac's, national championships, world championships) women have been able to perform when it was really important. this makes them better fencers. comparing national results is the only way to compare. | Oh yeah? Well you can have your facts...and statistics....and results...and knowledge..... I have theories! Booya! 
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