Div II/III doping?

[fencergal33]

Do they do doping control at div II/III NACs?

I have developed a slightly nasty head cold, and with the Miami NAC just a week away, and pseudoephedrine being on the banned substance list, I'm a little worried. (Even though it is highly unlikely that I'll make the top 8)

I had a discussion with another fencer about this, who told me that they only do doping control at "point" events. (ie Div. I, Junior, Cadet, blah, blah, blah)

Anyone know for sure, or know where I can find the answer?

[noodle]

i've never heard/seen it done before.

[nahouw]

No, they do not.

[oiuyt]

Officially you are still subject to the same tests and you've signed a release authorizing the tests to take place. Unofficially the USFA has not historically conducted such tests at D2/3 events.

Regardless, check the banned list again, pseudoephedrine is no longer banned. Pretty much all other stimulants are, but it's explicitly allowed (according to the last time I looked it up, which granted was probably about a month ago).

-B

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

I would suspect they would not. Along with y-10/12, y-14 and vet 40. They probably dont check it on wheelchair either. I could be wrong though.

[esskreemr]

The WADA Prohibited substance list is here:
http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/d.../list_2005.pdf

As Oiuyt stated, pseudoephedrine is no longer banned, Caffeine is also no longer banned.

[fencergal33]

It doesn't say pseudoephedrine, however, it does say "substances with similar chemical compund, blah, blah, blah" so does it still count or not?

Also, (sort of jacking my own thread) why on earth is insulin on the list?!?!?! What if you're diabetic?

[esskreemr]

Page 7 (Adobe, it's page six of the actual document):

"The substances included in the 2005 Monitoring Program (buporpion, caffeine, phehylephrine, phenylpropanolamine, pipradrol, pseudoephedrine, synephrine) are not considered as Prohibited Substances."

[RiseAndFall]

Originally Posted by fencergal33

Also, (sort of jacking my own thread) why on earth is insulin on the list?!?!?! What if you're diabetic?

That's why there's abbreviated TUEs.

[melihop]

Originally Posted by fencergal33

It doesn't say pseudoephedrine, however, it does say "substances with similar chemical compund, blah, blah, blah" so does it still count or not?

Also, (sort of jacking my own thread) why on earth is insulin on the list?!?!?! What if you're diabetic?

Than you get a medical waiver.. but you need to have ti with you at all the times when you could be tested...

[acaba]

Originally Posted by fencergal33

Also, (sort of jacking my own thread) why on earth is insulin on the list?!?!?! What if you're diabetic?

Quick check of google says:

http://www.asda.org.au/athletes/prohibited.htm#12
Insulin
Insulin, normally used in the treatment of diabetes, is a hormone secreted into the blood stream to promote the metabolism of carbohydrates, fats and proteins.

Insulin may be illegally used in conjunction with anabolic steroids, in an attempt to increase muscle growth and definition. It is debatable whether the desired results can be achieved. The chances of harmful side effects are great and possibly fatal.


http://www.svl.ch/doping/insulin.html
Insulin helps athletes in two ways. In bodybuilders, it works alongside anabolic steroids such as testosterone or human growth hormone to consolidate muscle tissue. Steroids spawn new muscle, and insulin prevents it from being broken down. Insulin also bolsters stamina in middle-distance runners and other track performers by enabling them to load their muscles with glycogen "fuel" before and between events. To do this, athletes would need to take insulin and glucose simultaneously for a couple of hours, infusing them using a technique called a hyperinsulinaemic clamp.

(Alternate view)
http://www.sportsphysiotherapyforall.../view/139/178/
Another substance on the doping list that can be challenged is insulin. It has been shown that there are no physiologically significant effects on muscle growth to be expected from insulin administration in combination with glucose and/or amino acids. Rule makers should realise that to lay people that the presence of a drug on the list suggests it has a performance enhancing effect. Therefore the ban on insulin may encourage some to experiment and use it.