Numbers From Nationals

[Prometheus]

From a cursory examination of the official results from nationals it seems that the numbers of competitors in the senior events seems to be down slightly from last year.

I realize that the results that have been posted so far are far from the complete set. That being said, does anyone know if there were fewer people registered for the senior DII and III events and possibly fewer attendes to the I and IA?

Or am I just going nuts because Im not there and making things up...

[Dame d'escrime]

I don't know how many there were last year, but you can get a complete list of registrants at the USFA site.

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[Peach]

There were WAY fewer entrants in the WS Division I and IA than in the II and III. I think people self-selected out of those events. There were lots more in the II and III.

Not only that, the High Performance Committee changed the rules for the national points in Division I championships - points are no longer guaranteed to 32nd place, instead they're 40% of the field up to 32. So with 42 in the women's sabre, points were awarded to 17th place.

I see even fewer entrants in the Division I in the future . . .

Peach (who placed 20th, waaaaah)

[Peach]

Whoops - I checked the website and they only awarded points to 16th place.

Double whoops days later - they've awarded points to 24th place, meaning they rounded up to 17 from 16.8 instead of down, which meant points for the round of 24 in repechage. Woohoo!

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[its_me_mango]

how can you self select out of division 1 and 2?

[Peach]

How do you "self-select" out of an event? Easy. Decide not to do it.

In the Division I the bottom half of the points list often doesn't bother to show. In the Division IA the top 21 on the points list didn't bother to do it, or even to qualify for it in many cases.

It looked to me like people didn't really "self-select" out of Division II, however. There were twice as many in the Div II WS as in the Div I.

[edew]

Speaking of numbers....Sunday, July 8, had 1019 entries, making it the largest number of participants ever in one day's event. It ran to 10:30 PM, or so, which was better than they expected (they expected to go to around 11:30 or midnight). I was exhausted when I got back to the hotel room, and then I had to go out to forage for food.

[body cord]

edew-
fencing at 10:30 that night really was special- the venue was so quiet that I could hear my opponent breathe...it was almost scary.
What was your function that night? Were you a referee or a member of the bout committee?
Just wondering...

[Stryder]

I see only one top fencer who Div1 AND Div1a.
Cody Mattern.
Of course he is very close to home. Of course he competed in Div1a before, so maybe the guy likes to fence?

Splitting Div1a from Div1 is silly!
Can I rehash an old rant?
I'd like to congratulate all of the Men's Foil National Champions for 2001:
Sean McClain
Meade Anderson
Ed Kaihatsu
Derek Snyder
David Willette
Alex Cavan
Brenden Meyers
Joseph Amodemo
Brenden Meyers
Jesse Schibilia

Not to mention the Wheelchair champions and the THREE teams that will be sporting the National title for the next year.

STOP THE INSANITY!

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[d8m2k]

Originally posted by Stryder:
I see only one top fencer who Div1 AND Div1a.
Cody Mattern.
Of course he is very close to home. Of course he competed in Div1a before, so maybe the guy likes to fence?

Splitting Div1a from Div1 is silly!
Can I rehash an old rant?
I'd like to congratulate all of the Men's Foil National Champions for 2001:
Sean McClain
Meade Anderson
Ed Kaihatsu
Derek Snyder
David Willette
Alex Cavan
Brenden Meyers
Joseph Amodemo
Brenden Meyers
Jesse Schibilia

Not to mention the Wheelchair champions and the THREE teams that will be sporting the National title for the next year.

STOP THE INSANITY!

Stryder,

I couldn't not post a reply just for old times sake...

[its_me_mango]

stryder: thanks for the nutrition reference, albeit the "bald-ones" - i think she's a vegetarian and for that, more information:
lacto-ovum vegetarian is probably the best diet for all of us.

[edew]

Originally posted by Stryder:
I see only one top fencer who Div1 AND Div1a.
Cody Mattern.
Of course he is very close to home. Of course he competed in Div1a before, so maybe the guy likes to fence?

Au contraire. Seth Baldwin, Chloe Stinetorf, Janel Obenchain are three from NorCal division who are fairly good and competed in both Div I and Div IA. Stinetorf took 6th in both Div I and Div IA.

I fenced both Div I and Div IA, and so did Kevin Urbain, and several others: Cameron Perry, Andrew Radu, Bob Manchen, Carl Liggio, Nick Mosca, Mike Galligan...

I think the sabre Div I and Div IA are especially separated. But then, the vast majority of the Div I sabre fencers are from the east coast (NY) and they rarely fence in their sectionals, so don't expect them to even qualify for the Div IA. Also, few would want to hang out in Sacramento for a whole week to fence Div I on Thursday and then Div IA the following Tuesday (given that they're mostly from NY/NJ).

In women's epee, there's Case Szarwark and Daisy Gilker, both made top-8 in Div I and IA.

[Peach]

In the Div I-A WS, all but one (Leah Tracy) of the top 8 had national points. As I mentioned before, the top 21 on the points list didn't bother.

Makes sense--the top people are fighting it out for a chance to be on world teams and go to world cups. They wouldn't waste their time or energy on a non-point event.

Either you do the I-A because you like competing, because you want to earn an A, or because you need practice against strong fencers to improve your game. Or, I just noticed, because you want to qualify automatically for the Div I-A and Div I the next year (top 8)




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[Stryder]

Edew- I didn't mean to insult any of the fine fencers that DID participate in Div 1a
Quite the contrary.

I said "top fencers" but I didn't mean top 8 or top 16, I meant top 1

Aside from Mattern, did any Div 1 gold medalists compete in Div 1a?

Mango-
What the help are you talking about? By the way, I saw your "book bash" page. Nice dress!

Oh, wait. I get it. "Bald one" Susan Powter. ha ha.

Vegetarians are silly. If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them all out of meat?

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[arcon]

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: arcon ]

[d8m2k]

Originally posted by Peach:
Either you do the I-A because you like competing, because you want to earn an A, or because you need practice against strong fencers to improve your game. Or, I just noticed, because you want to qualify automatically for the Div I-A and Div I the next year (top 8)

You also forgot to mention that people do the 1A because they have the time.
Cody's young and on summer break. For other people it was a close drive. Most people have jobs, and it just isn't worth it to them.

Scheduling is a problem. For example, Eric Hansen was at the WC in Puerto Rico and returned to the US the day of the 1A. Although he normally has the time to make most of the events.

[Cutter]

Arcon, the count for Nationals varies depending on who you talk to. I do know that it set records both for the overall number of competitors and for one day with 1,019 fencers competeting in one day on 7/8/01. I believe the count was somewhere between 2,500 and 2,700.

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[edew]

It was bigger than Austin by about 200+ more fencers.