09-13-2005, 02:12 PM
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| Wireless fencing at Staatsburgh Open - October 8th
Staatsburgh Epee Open
Saturday, October 8th, 2005 (raindate 9th or 10th)
Staatsburgh State Historic Site
Old Post Road, Staatsburg, NY 12580
Experience outdoor fencing in the gorgeous Hudson
Valley. Participate in wireless fencing courtesy
Zivkovic Modern Fencing Equipment, Inc.
Entry Fee $10
Registration 9:00 - 10:00 am
Pre-registration required. Details at: www.geocities.com/fishkillfencers
The event is open to the public. Bring the family,
enjoy the scenic views and fall foliage. Hike the
grounds, tour the mansion, have a picnic!
All proceeds go to Hurricane Katrina Relief
Contact:
Alexander Turoff fishkillfencers@yahoo.com
(845) 265-0037 (home)
(646) 258-6394 (cell)
John O'Mara jomara@hvc.rr.com
(845) 255-7964 (home)
(845) 494-9786 (cell)
Hotels:
Roosevelt Inn
4360 Albany Post Rd
(845) 229-2443
Super 8 Motel
4142 Albany Post Rd
(845) 229-0088
Co-hosted by Fishkill Fencers, New York State Office
of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, and
the Friends of Mills Mansion.
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09-14-2005, 03:43 AM
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| Too bad it's opposite the NAC, I think I might be willing to drive the 3ish hours to try wireless (wireless or reelless?) epee....
-B :)
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09-14-2005, 01:33 PM
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| Yeah, the timing with the NAC is unfortunate, but having Columbus Day as an extra rain date is a plus.
Zivkovic is bringing his new wireless (not reelless) system for epee. I'll post details when I get them. | |
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09-15-2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishkillfencers Zivkovic is bringing his new wireless (not reelless) system for epee. I'll post details when I get them. | Mmm, I'd heard that it was reelless rather than wireless. Unfortunate if that's not the case. Much more interesting if it's reelless, and therefore something that the FIE might consider using.
-B
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09-17-2005, 02:39 PM
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| I really want to come, but I have to take the SATs... 
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09-17-2005, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs I really want to come, but I have to take the SATs... |
If it gets rained out, could I preregister on Saturday or Sunday for the next day? | |
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09-18-2005, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishkillfencers | Thanks.
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10-02-2005, 01:00 AM
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| More wireless info
There will be wireless equipment for two strips. The system requires a slight modification to the epees, so we are asking for volunteers willing to fence the pool round with borrowed epees, in case we decide to run one or two pools wirelessly. Email jomara@hvc.rr.com to volunteer. Please remember this is experimental. We'll do all we can to ensure that anyone interested will get a chance to fence wirelessly, either as part of the tournament or as a demonstration. If you have any questions feel free to contact John K O'Mara at either (845) 255-7964 or (845) 494-9786.
We can always use extra boxes and reels. If you are able to bring either please contact the organizers. | |
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10-02-2005, 01:21 PM
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| Interesting. The earlier reports here on f.net claimed that the Ziv system fit the FIE stipulations for systems that they would consider (ie reel-less rather than wireless, no modifications to the existing equipment). Sounds, from this thread, like neither of those is true. Less and less interested in the system as it becomes increasing clear that this isn't a system the FIE would consider examining.
Then again, who knows when the FIE will change their own policies.
-B
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10-02-2005, 07:50 PM
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| The modification is minor, but I agree is unfortunate. I'm not sure what you mean by wireless vs. reelless - I think it's both. That is, body cords plug into transmitters, and a receiver plugs into the box.
We'll all know more about it after the 8th. | |
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10-03-2005, 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishkillfencers The modification is minor, but I agree is unfortunate. I'm not sure what you mean by wireless vs. reelless - I think it's both. That is, body cords plug into transmitters, and a receiver plugs into the box.
We'll all know more about it after the 8th. | If there's a wireless transmitter it's wireless. If there are no reels, but nothing wireless (eg sabre in the Olympics in Athens) then it's reelless. Note that in this case the large extension lights (which do involve wireless transmission) are considered unofficial. The FIE has repeatedly and unequivocally stated that it will not entertain any wireless options, whether RF, IR, or any other method (*note* obviously this is subject to change at the whim of Rene Roch, as is so much else in our wonderful sport). Similarly the FIE has announced that it will not entertain any systems that would require modification to the fencer's equipment (I assume the lights in the masks are something that either isn't considered a modification, or that can be installed and removed again).
Out of curiosity, what modification(s) to the epees is required?
-B
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10-03-2005, 10:56 AM
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| It's a small piece of plastic that insulates the blade from the bell guard. Not a big deal, but it does prevent people from using their own weapons wirelessly at our tournament. | |
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10-03-2005, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishkillfencers It's a small piece of plastic that insulates the blade from the bell guard. Not a big deal, but it does prevent people from using their own weapons wirelessly at our tournament. |
Mmmm, I wonder what the purpose is. In theory the whole blade should be grounded (as it is with traditional systems). And the tip is already insulated from the rest by a bit of plastic (integral to the tip).
Raises the question of whether or not there's any plastic from this new addition that's hittable. I know that's JUST where I want a spot my opponent can register a (non-anullable) touch... :eyeroll:
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10-23-2005, 06:25 PM
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| postponed again, now scheduled for october 29. Hopefully it doesn't rain again.
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10-24-2005, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Mmmm, I wonder what the purpose is. In theory the whole blade should be grounded (as it is with traditional systems). And the tip is already insulated from the rest by a bit of plastic (integral to the tip).
Raises the question of whether or not there's any plastic from this new addition that's hittable. I know that's JUST where I want a spot my opponent can register a (non-anullable) touch... :eyeroll:
-B | Actually, the blade doesn't have to be grounded; there just as to be a way to recognize hits to the bell guard/blade/piste/whatever.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the lockout timing issue makes it impossible to make a reelless system for any weapon besides sabre.
It can work for sabre simply because both mask mounted units can tell when a hit is scored. Once someone's lame or mask has been touched, a lockout timer can start on their device. In foil, this only works for valid hits, not off target, and in epee, you would need a full body lame. Is the FIE's stated reason for disallowing RF tranmission fear of interference?
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