Change in qualifying age date for junior and cadet worlds

[downunder]

As some of you may have seen, one of the proposed changes approved by the rules commision is that the qualification age for junior and cadet worlds will change from being u.20 or u.17 on the 1st of january to being u.17 or u.20 on the 15 of april.

This poses direct problems. It affects me, as being a february birthday in 1987, it would mean that the worlds in Korea would be my last one, meaning that I would potentially miss out. I'm ever so slightly unhappy considering I'm making plans to do next seasons Junior World Cup circuit, however it now seems like i'll be ineligible.

What does it mean for the current juniors/cadets, who will find out half way through the season if they are eligible or not.

I know posting on this board won't do anything or solve anything - but i really needed a place to vent.

[dramamine]

They're changing it to be earlier? Why?


I don't see a purpose. It was really easy before.

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by dramamine

They're changing it to be earlier? Why?


I don't see a purpose. It was really easy before.

Later, actually, which results in fewer people not yet having aged out.

As to reason, I assume so that at the time of the World Championships the participants fit the age criteria. This is similar to the way that the FIE does ages for veteran events (there I believe it's as of the first of the month that the first day of vet worlds falls in one must be of appropriate age).

If the FIE were nice about such things there would be lead time and pre-announcement of implementation, rather than a change that takes place immediately. Then again, if that were the way the FIE works we wouldn't have multiple mid-season (or late, immediately prior to the start of season) rules changes (*cough*machine timings, passivity, chestplates*cough*).

DU- where did you see the proposal?

-B :)

[Hamley]

Wait, before i get exsited, i have a november Birthday, will this mean i get a extra year ?

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by Hamley

Wait, before i get exsited, i have a november Birthday, will this mean i get a extra year ?

No.

You must remain under a certain age by a date which is now later. If you are eligible on 4/15, you were also eligible on 1/1.

-B :)

[dramamine]

If my birthday is april 8th, do I lose a year?

[downunder]

Originally Posted by dramamine

If my birthday is april 8th, do I lose a year?

yep. assuming it goes through.


Its in the proposed changes that will come up at congress in november. I'll try and find it if i have time.

[dramamine]

I would have to say that is complete crap for the exact same reason as you

[Alan]

Originally Posted by dramamine

I would have to say that is complete crap for the exact same reason as you

Another scandalous decision of King René and his court if it is made.

You don't change the rules in the middle of the year.


Another proof that King René does not care about the fencers.

[downunder]

Originally Posted by Alan

Another scandalous decision of King René and his court if it is made.

You don't change the rules in the middle of the year.


Another proof that King René does not care about the fencers.

You silly man. These things are proposed by federations, and given support by the rules commitee.

And they change the rules in the middle of the year, every year! Congress is always in November.

Give it a rest, please and stop filling my thread with your garbage.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by downunder

You silly man. These things are proposed by federations, and given support by the rules commitee.

And they change the rules in the middle of the year, every year! Congress is always in November.

Give it a rest, please and stop filling my thread with your garbage.

Yes all these new federations loved by his majesty because they vote for him
and permit him to make decisions against a vast majority of fencers !!!


These men seems to justify their presence in the meetings by the number
of (è"(_"_ç"àç reforms they do.

Because they lack of ideas, they propose to change the date.

So next year, they will propose a new date to justify their work.

By the way if you want a "private" thread don't post it on a public forum !!!

(I wonder who is silly here ...)

[downunder]

shh

no one cares about what you think.




Anyways, can we get back on topic. I really don't understand the reasoning for this change. Unfortuantly it appears that i'm the only Australian fencer that seems to be affected by this (that would have some chance in qualifying) so i doubt my federation will stand up for me.

I might add that the cadet world MS champion survives the cut by 2 days!

Hopefully a prominent French or Italian or German or Russian fencer is adversely affected...

[Gav]

Originally Posted by Alan

Yes all these new federations loved by his majesty because they vote for him
and permit him to make decisions against a vast majority of fencers !!!


These men seems to justify their presence in the meetings by the number
of (è"(_"_ç"àç reforms they do.

Because they lack of ideas, they propose to change the date.

So next year, they will propose a new date to justify their work.

By the way if you want a "private" thread don't post it on a public forum !!!

(I wonder who is silly here ...)

Alan this makes no sense. If you are not going to contribute usefully, to a thread, then don't contribute.

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by downunder

You silly man. These things are proposed by federations, and given support by the rules commitee.

Actually this one is proposition 9 by the FIE Executive Committee, it wasn't proposed by one of the federations.

-B

[downunder]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

Actually this one is proposition 9 by the FIE Executive Committee, it wasn't proposed by one of the federations.

-B

ah thanks oiuyt, my mistake (i knew i should have checked it!)

[oiuyt]

From today's report from the FIE publicity commission:

The FIE signed a contract with the American channel WCSN, which intends to broadcast 50 fencing hours in 2005 as well as the following years.

Wouldn't mind seeing that....

Heh, another bit from the same report:

1.3. Requests for the 2006-2007 Calendar

Serbia: This Federation is requiring two competitions at Women's and Men's Epee. As there is no availability at these weapons, we shall propose it either tournaments at Women's Sabre and Foil or satellite tournaments at Women's and Men's Epee.

You want, WE and ME, huh? How about WS and WF instead? Basically the same thing, right?

-B
*edited to add the Serbia bit*

[oiuyt]

Rather than continuing to edit the above post, additional comments here...

There's a bit about a mold (mould) for transparent visors to be made by Bayer. It appears the FIE will be providing manufacturers with the lexan bit for 1-5 euro a pop (same price for all manufacturers) once the process is all set up.

And about Beijing:

Next Olympic Games :

a) Events : system chosen by the members : 4 teams and 6 individuals because there are more federations participating in individual than in team. This system will therefore by in favour of a universalization.

For the gender, it has been proposed to have 3 men's and 1 women's teams. Female Sabre is selected for Beijing because Foil was in Sydney and Epee in Athens. Furthermore, Sabre is more attactive for the media as this is the sole weapon avoiding the problem of passivity. The majority of the members are in favour except for the 2 female members of the Commission.

-B

[Alan]

Originally Posted by Gav

Alan this makes no sense. If you are not going to contribute usefully, to a thread, then don't contribute.

Obviously if i post it, it is because i think it makes sense and it is useful.

I have already said that one federation = one vote is an heresy, in my opinion.

It should be one fencer = one vote and even
one foilist = one vote when the object is foil only.


You are free to disagree of course.

In my opinion anything demonstrating the autocratic attitude of King René
and his dedain for fencers is useful, but you know that already.

[Alan]

Thinking (yes ...) again about this, i am wondering if the FIE people
get a bonus for the number of dumb proposal they make ?

The rule was simple and accepted by everybody:
1 January


Now somebody decides that it should be the 15 th of April.


Added value of this change : none.

Respect for the juniors who train for 2 years to make a good performance
in their last junior year and will not be able to : none.
(In some countries, it may even prevent them to join National Institutions
like INSEP in France.)

Was a transition period proposed : no !


I hope some day, fencers will wake up and create their own federation
thanks to the Internet.

A federation made for fencers not to respect all the wills of the CIO
or to pursue an hypothetic dream of prime time on TVs

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by Alan

I hope some day, fencers will wake up and create their own federation
thanks to the Internet.

Go for it. Make sure to let us know how that works out for you.

-B