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ReverseLunge · 09-12-2005, 06:51 PM

Hey Donald how come this year there was no tourney before the LBI?

Purple Fencer · 09-12-2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Morion

If that unofficial sponser was Guiness it's a wonder he ever found his way out of the room!

BWWHHAAAAAAA!!!

True, tho!

DHCJr · 09-12-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge

Hey Donald how come this year there was no tourney before the LBI?

I did not work on the schedule, but I was told LBI was the earliest it ever was and they also didn't want to conflict with the Las Vegas Youth tournament, Bladerunner and LA International. Sometimes the Gym is not available on the weekends we want.

Swordmaster · 09-12-2005, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge

I am planning to apply a layer of rubber cement after super gluing. Does anyone here know of any solvant what will remove both super glue and rubber cement? A friend told me that paint thinner might work.

There is no one solvent that will work well on both. Acetone will desolve both, but the rubber cement will remain as a gooy, slimy film and when you try to rub it off it will ball up. Then you can continue to rub it until it falls off the blade.
Like our ol' pal Tim, I have wired and rewired many a blade. I have seen everything from Elmer's to two part resin epoxy. Some you just have to grind out with a dremel.

I won't address other comments about my creditials or the lack there of on this post - since that is not what you were asking to begin with.

Purple Fencer · 09-12-2005, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Swordmaster

There is no one solvent that will work well on both. Acetone will desolve both, but the rubber cement will remain as a gooy, slimy film and when you try to rub it off it will ball up. Then you can continue to rub it until it falls off the blade.
Like our ol' pal Tim, I have wired and rewired many a blade. I have seen everything from Elmer's to two part resin epoxy. Some you just have to grind out with a dremel.

Pliobond??? *runs and hides*

*snicker* Didn't Dan say that Elmers was conductive???? One BIG short!!

oiuyt · 09-12-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

Oiuyt, you missed most Armorers favorite country, Ireland.

Actually, I didn't. I suppose Siobhan Byrne could be considered Olympic-level by the generous, she didn't miss it by much. I was counting Ireland in the group of countries that didn't possess Olympic-level fencers. All of the countries that I listed were represented by at least one fencer in Athens.

Of course it does raise the question of whether or not NZ sent an armorer for their solitary fencer. Without enough athletes going that the country is sending non-coaching cadre, immigration in hopes of going to the Olympics makes less sense. For that matter, did Britain, with 2 athletes, send an armorer? And they clearly have talented armoring staff.

-B :)

DHCJr · 09-12-2005, 10:07 PM

Great Britain limits the Armorers. For the Junior/Cadet Worlds, they also do not send an Armorer. I do not believe they did. With the Olympics the way they are most countries do not send an Armorer. Even the US has toyed with not having an Armorer and replacing them with a Coach. In fact for the '88 games, Dan did not get one of the 5 floor passes that were allocated to the US cadre. They went to the Team Captain, the USFA president, his wife and son. The last was shared by the coaches. Dan stayed in the stands and they brought any broken weapons to him.

oiuyt · 09-13-2005, 11:43 AM

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the USFA president, his wife and son.

Who was USFA president that quad?

-B :)

JEC · 09-13-2005, 12:01 PM

I also want to know that!!

KD5MDK · 09-13-2005, 01:40 PM

I'm imagining what it must have been like to be a spectator with your tickets sitting next to some guy with a ton of boxes, an extension cord, a vise, screwdrivers, etc at his seat...

DHCJr · 09-13-2005, 01:57 PM

Let me give you a hint, his now ex-wife was the most famous or is that imfamous American fencer at the '96 games, even more than Peter Westbrook, getting a several page article in Sports Illustrated. For those who are new, the article was on rumors how she qualified for those games.

He is now chairman of the Legal Commission of the FIE, Sam Cheris.

yeoldearmourer · 09-13-2005, 02:13 PM

His son also became the youngest lic referee at either 11 or 12 to ref at a National event. Some rumor about a payoff I beleive that what the article stated. When Sam became President that when I retire from working National level events.

sreckiki · 09-13-2005, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge

I am planning to apply a layer of rubber cement after super gluing. Does anyone here know of any solvant what will remove both super glue and rubber cement? A friend told me that paint thinner might work.

I still don't understand why people are still using super glue to wire their weapon. Or at least their epees (because maybe RL is talking about foil here). I use a neopren glue like the blostik glue and the wiring lasts for ever! Unlike the super glue, the neopren glue is soft and does not become breakable with time which is way better when you wanna glue a wire on a weapon which must bend!

So, if someone knows the advantages of using super glue to rewire an epee, please let me know. I may miss something here.

Purple Fencer · 09-13-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sreckiki

I still don't understand why people are still using super glue to wire their weapon. Or at least their epees (because maybe RL is talking about foil here). I use a neopren glue like the blostik glue and the wiring lasts for ever! Unlike the super glue, the neopren glue is soft and does not become breakable with time which is way better when you wanna glue a wire on a weapon which must bend!

So, if someone knows the advantages of using super glue to rewire an epee, please let me know. I may miss something here.

The time factor (especially if you use an accelerant) is the obvious reason. :et's face it...we're an impatient people.

For myself...I like to standardize my personal procedures...meaning having one set of steps and supplies whether I'm wiring a blade in the shop and actually have time to let it set, or am at an event with maybe 10 minutes to do a complete rewire.

AT that point it becomes a matter of finding out how best to use the supplies you've decided on in the environment in which you're workiong....and not being afraid to change if something better comes along.

I used to use standard Duco superglue....bought a dozen tubes at a time. But that I found that standard CA glues are brittle once dry...and when they fracture, you get wire pops.

I now use HV-1200 from Devcon....it's still a CA glue, but it's more rubbery when dried...thus more give and less popouts from fractures. been working pretty good for me so far.

I have not tried Bostik or Cementit...although I probably should at least familiarize myself with their usage...because of the drying time.

Regardless of WHAT you use, however, of the blade groove isn't clean, you're wasting a wire....

sreckiki · 09-13-2005, 03:37 PM

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I have not tried Bostik or Cementit...although I probably should at least familiarize myself with their usage...because of the drying time.

I let the glue dry for about 24h and it is way enough.

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Regardless of WHAT you use, however, of the blade groove isn't clean, you're wasting a wire....

I did some wiring with a not so clean groove and I found out that the neopren glue like bostik does a decent job. Or at least, something that still last longer than super glue on a clean groove. But maybe I was just lucky!

Purple Fencer · 09-13-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sreckiki

I let the glue dry for about 24h and it is way enough.

That's my understanding...I just haven't tried it yet.

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I did some wiring with a not so clean groove and I found out that the neopren glue like bostik does a decent job. Or at least, something that still last longer than super glue on a clean groove. But maybe I was just lucky!

Might;ve been a differance in the performance of the glue vs CA types...you probably DID get lucky...the more dirty the groove, the more likely for a pop, regardless of the glue.

yeoldearmourer · 09-13-2005, 08:50 PM

When I had my booth at NAC ca glues was the only way to go because of the time factor involed. Now at home I use nothing but Cemnit glue from American Fencers or Swordmaster. I have use this glue for years. Now I had customer who whated to waited the 8 to 12 hrs for the glue to setup. Most of the dealers and I am not saying all the dealers but most us superglue or ca glue because of the number blades they wire.

Purple Fencer · 09-13-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by yeoldearmourer

When I had my booth at NAC ca glues was the only way to go because of the time factor involed. Now at home I use nothing but Cemnit glue from American Fencers or Swordmaster. I have use this glue for years. Now I had customer who whated to waited the 8 to 12 hrs for the glue to setup

Precicely my point....when you have time, Cementit is fine....when you don't. CA glue!