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I would be much happier however being able to say that I used my weapon as a last resort and in response to a threat to my life or the lives of others than saying I was forced to use my weapon after the situation escalated when I pulled it in a bluff and THEN Billy Bob pulled his weapon. [quote]
But again, you've shifted away from your original position and are now talking about justification. What we were originally debating was your assertion that if you have to draw you should invariably end up shooting. And unless deadly force is justified you ought not to be drawing in the first place---but having drawn one has not necessarily passed the point of assessing the situation.
I'll give you an example. You encounter someone about to set fire to an occupied structure. There is your justification. But if as you draw the guy drops the gas can and runs away, do you shoot him in the back? Certainly not as a civilian. But by your lights, the gun is out; it must be shooting.
One wants to stop the threat. If that can be accomplished without shooting, why preclude the option? This is not the same as hesitating or trying to deter a continuing threat.
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Also, lets say you roll up to a scene and there are 3 guys, openhanded and one guy waiving a pistol around. Who do you level your weapon at? Who is likely to get shot if he does something moderately stupid? The guy waiving his weapon.
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"Waving"?! Are you going to be "waving"?
At any rate, exactly the same is likely to happen if the one guy has already shot the three guys, as you recommend. Is it not?
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I am simply saying that it is a bad idea for a civilian to draw a weapon if there is not an appropriate use of force threat in the hopes of containing a lesser situation that could be handled verbally or walked away from.
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Then perhaps we have no argument after all.
Bother. Where's the fun in that?
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for a civilian in that the situation can escalate from that point, especially if the civilian in question appears "weak" or is someone the would be perps feel they would loose face backing down to, such as an elderly, female or handicapped person
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Granted. And from this it follows that it's better just to begin an immediate fusillade without exercising any further judgement? As a matter of universal practice?
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I amend my statement to read If the gun comes out, you should be prepared to shoot. It should not be with the sole or primary intent to bluff or bully. Are you a happier person now?
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Much.
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Prepare for joyously gleeful reciprocity the next time you fail to quantify a statement to its fullest extent...  |
Will that help feed the argument? Then I live for the opportunity.
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A class III FFL means that you can buy and sell Class III weapons such as fully automatic or selective fire weapons, suppressed weapons, destructive devices and LE only items such as certain types of ammunition.
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And can possess wallet holsters. Wasn't that what we were discussing?
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To carry them you have to have the tax stamp, and keep that with the item.
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Hence the "Class III" part.
I feel like I'm in a loop here.
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Wallet/pocket holsters are not illegal to carry for the average person authorized to carry a concealed weapon. One specific style was made illegal.
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If you can fire the weapon without drawing it from the holster, it is illegal. If you draw the gun out of the holster, it's no different than just having the gun in your pocket. The whole point of the wallet holster is that it looks like you've taken out your wallet, not gone for a weapon. Swell if you're taking it out at the insistence of a mugger, not so much if it's at the request of a cop asking to see some ID...
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You are basically saying something along the lines of "Since automatic knives are illegal every form of folding cutlery must be illegal" which is BS
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Eh...what?
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