Found Weapon?

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by CvilleFencer

you have to have a weapon small enough to carry all the time (a big mean gun that is to heavy to carry with you when you might need it is useless, so even small 32-38's can be effective for this purpose since most gunfights occur at something like 7 feet).

Come now, no one is going about with dragoon pistols or buntline Colts anymore! Well, almost no one. There are plenty of small, compact, lightweight pistols in respectable calibers that are not onerous to carry.

It's not range that counts, it's stopping power and ease of use ( and maybe magazine capacity and to some extent intimidating appearance ). You can go with a .32 if you've got nothing better or can't bear the recoil of a serious handgun, but I wouldn't unless I could rely on making head shots consistently under stressful conditions. I am even dubious about the 9mm...and if you're going to get a .38 caliber you might as well make it a .357...


Meanwhile, swordcanes can be had pretty cheap, though you probably get what you pay for. What I want is a full-length sword umbrella. ( I may be old, but not so old that carrying a cane around wouldn't look rather suspicious ).

[AndrastVitesse]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

What I want is a full-length sword umbrella. ( I may be old, but not so old that carrying a cane around wouldn't look rather suspicious ).

Well would you look even more suspicious if you were carrying an umbrella when it wasn't raining.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Meanwhile, swordcanes can be had pretty cheap, though you probably get what you pay for. What I want is a full-length sword umbrella. ( I may be old, but not so old that carrying a cane around wouldn't look rather suspicious ).

Being run through with an unbrella would be a very anticlimactic way to die.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by AndrastVitesse

Well would you look even more suspicious if you were carrying an umbrella when it wasn't raining.

Not if he went around masquerading as a Brit....looking for Emma Peel....

[ThatReallyHurt]

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

Being run through with an unbrella would be a very anticlimactic way to die.

Not if it was open at the time...

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Come now, no one is going about with dragoon pistols or buntline Colts anymore! Well, almost no one. There are plenty of small, compact, lightweight pistols in respectable calibers that are not onerous to carry.

It's not range that counts...

Range is important. What if I want to let my frustration out on rescue helicopters? I don't want my rounds to fall short!

[CvilleFencer]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

It's not range that counts, it's stopping power and ease of use ( and maybe magazine capacity and to some extent intimidating appearance ). You can go with a .32 if you've got nothing better or can't bear the recoil of a serious handgun, but I wouldn't unless I could rely on making head shots consistently under stressful conditions. I am even dubious about the 9mm...and if you're going to get a .38 caliber you might as well make it a .357...

Silly saberist, hand cannons are for arm chair commandos and handgun hunters (well and my brother who is neither, but thinks his Desert Eagle is "neat" and likes to try to carry it "concealed" for ****s and grins...). With the velocity and expansion of some of the +p+ loads out there the 9 and even the lowly 380 or 32 can be very effective manstoppers. Don't be fooled by the federal "shoot's" data on stopping power of 9's and lower caliber’s that the Justice Department puts out. A lot of those shootings, as I am sure you know, are made by folks on the job, but often their department won't let them carry anything "hot", or even more than FMJ for fear of public relations problems and lawsuits.

As to intimidation, if it comes out, it should come out shooting, not to bluff or intimidate. My full size USP .45 with the Surefire mounted on the rails is plenty intimidating, but it weighs like four pounds, is a ***** to lug around or try to carry concealed, and loaded with either the Black Hills or SXT rounds I prefer, is very likely to overpenetrate in CQB situations. It is my house gun. Now the Seecamp with its nice little wallet holster, now there is a great defensive gun. Small, light and so easy to carry that it becomes habit. Load it up with some nice +p+ LEO Corbon rounds and it is just fine for defensive purposes. If you get the new version of the Seecamp, the Rorwenbraugh or something like that, in 9mm so much the better. I will grant you that a bigger hole is a better hole in the end, but all things being equal I have never not felt a 9 or even the 380 to be "underarmed". For a duty or combat gun, sure I prefer 40, 10 or 45. But the chances of my having to engage multiple targets, penetrate heavy clothing or windshields/barriers, or even fire more than 6 shots on my way to the grocery store is not something I worry about. Better to have a gun that you will carry than a macho handcannon at home on the nightstand.

Meanwhile, swordcanes can be had pretty cheap, though you probably get what you pay for. What I want is a full-length sword umbrella. ( I may be old, but not so old that carrying a cane around wouldn't look rather suspicious ).

Click on those links in my last post silly saberist. Both are very nifty specimens of the art.

[CvilleFencer]

Originally Posted by Neil

Range is important. What if I want to let my frustration out on rescue helicopters? I don't want my rounds to fall short!

You Aussies are an odd bunch. Now I see why the took all your guns away...

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Meanwhile, swordcanes can be had pretty cheap, though you probably get what you pay for. What I want is a full-length sword umbrella.

Aaah! It's not until I read this that I realise what he meant by 'swordcane'... *slaps forehead*


Bob, it would be nice if you had the ability to post a picture of the blade in question.

[yeoldearmourer]

Outside of her switchblade my wife pocket gun is a Colt Mustang 380 which at 20 yards she can hit center mass with all 7 rounds. But for home defensive there is nothing better then a 12ga shotgun loaded with flecttle rounds which contains darts you dont worry about it going though a wall then. And the sound of the slide going back camber a round can BE awful loud AT night. My self nothing beat a Colt 45 for stopping power but unforuate right now it in Iraq with my son along with my custom made bowie knife by Chris Reeves out of Boise

[ThatReallyHurt]

Come on... you guys don't really have all those guns...

Do you?

[CvilleFencer]

Originally Posted by ThatReallyHurt

Come on... you guys don't really have all those guns...

Do you?

I have cut back dramatically on my firearms collection. Back when I was doing law enforcement and related work I had a substatial amount of firearms that went something like this:

Berretta 92 (tricked out with 4 barrell comp, aimpoint red dot sight and a 3 shot trigger group and 20 round mags from a full auto 93). It was my toy.

Wilson custom 45 slide/trigger mounted on a high capacity para-ordanace frame.

Seecamp .380 pocket pistol

COP 357 4 barrel belly gun

S&W 4" model 27 in .357

IMI "Baby Eagle" in 10mm

Sig Sauer p239 in .357 sig (traded the COP and the S&W for it and a Chris Reeves fighter).

Heckler and Koch folding stock G3 with the PSG-1 style trigger group, grip and forstock but without the spiffy forward assist.

Remmington Bullpup 590 assualt shotgun (entry weapon, complete with tac light and laser)

Bushmaster x17 (think a bullpup m-16) as my "serious" car/saddle rifle.

Mossberg bolt action goose gun

Now I only have a couple. I have my cute little carry gun and my big H&K .45 for home defense and trailside carry. Out of all my guns I miss my G3 and the 590 the most, but Danielle is really uncomfortable around firearms.

Funny story. A friend of mine who fences at my club shows up with a brand new spiffy shinny F-150 long cab truck out of the blue one day and I say to him, "Wow, you traded in the Saab for a pickup?" And he says something to the effect of "No, still love the Saab, but my new toy won't fit in it with a passenger." His new toy turns out to be a custom made .50 caliber super long range rifle. So I say to him "You bought a $30,000 truck to carry your $12,000 rifle?" and he says "Na, I am going to carry my other long rifles in it also. Makes it a lot easier when I go to big shoots like Perry or Knob Creek to be able to bring all the rifles I may want and all my camping gear." Apparently that made it okay! :-)

Another friend of mine just broke the 50 mark on his firearms collection, and he mainly collects battle rifles! We Americans do love our guns... If you ever make it over we'll have to take you out shooting. Ever fired a Minigun before?

[Fencergrl]

As a collector of many things and someone who knows other firearm collectors, I can understand having a lot of firearms (not something we do to any large extent, but I understand). I also understand the need for hunting rifles.

I must admit, I feel a little sad for you and other Americans that there is the need/perceived need for firearms for protection.

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by AndrastVitesse

Well would you look even more suspicious if you were carrying an umbrella when it wasn't raining.

Feh. I could just move to Seattle, or Vancouver. The problem would never arise.

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Not if he went around masquerading as a Brit....looking for Emma Peel....

Ahhhhh....Mrs. Peel....mmmmm.....

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by CvilleFencer

Don't be fooled by the federal "shoot's" data on stopping power of 9's and lower caliber’s that the Justice Department puts out. A lot of those shootings, as I am sure you know, are made by folks on the job, but often their department won't let them carry anything "hot", or even more than FMJ for fear of public relations problems and lawsuits.

"How did you arrive at that hypothethith?"

The .40 has the best stopping ratio around even with standard factory ammo. The .45 ACP is not far behind. Why experiment further?

As to intimidation, if it comes out, it should come out shooting, not to bluff or intimidate.

Are you SURE you were in LE?

Now the Seecamp with its nice little wallet holster, now there is a great defensive gun.

And unless you're still LE or have a Class III license it's also thoroughly illegal. ( The wallet holster setup, not the pistol ).

Better to have a gun that you will carry than a macho handcannon at home on the nightstand.

Meh, you delicate epeeists...

I carry an old Series 70 Colt Lightweight Commander just about everywhere except on duty. I scarcely notice it's there any more. ( AND an American derringer in .45LC in my back pocket. AND an extra mag. AND a folding knife. )

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by Fencergrl

I must admit, I feel a little sad for you and other Americans that there is the need/perceived need for firearms for protection.

Spoken like someone who labors under the quaint illusion that the world is a tidy, safe, civilized place...

[Fencergrl]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Spoken like someone who labors under the quaint illusion that the world is a tidy, safe, civilized place...

You're jaded Inq.... I don't lock my doors and I have never been broken into. I am unsure if my parents even had keys for the house (I think they did, we just never used them).

I can walk alone at night (always have, as this is when I take my walks). My disabled sister lives right in the downtown core and feels safe on the streets, regardless of the hour.

Most people on the prairies (where ThatReallyHurts lives) not only don’t lock the doors of the their cars, but leave the keys in the ignition (especially in the winter when they leave the car running).

When we travel to visit family or friends and arrive late at night, we just walk into their homes. Often there’s a note on the kitchen counter telling us which bedroom is ours for the night.

I feel bad you don't live in the same environment, that's all. I must be awful to feel the need to protect yourself against your fellow man.

[ThatReallyHurt]

Originally Posted by Fencergrl

Most people on the prairies (where ThatReallyHurts lives) not only don’t lock the doors of the their cars, but leave the keys in the ignition (especially in the winter when they leave the car running).

This is true - if it's a quick trip, I'll sometimes leave the car running for a minute or two. Two winters ago, I got back to it, there was some guy sitting in the front passenger seat, he'd been standing at the bus stop and just wanted to warm up. No screaming, threats, or waving of firearms required - he thanked me for the heat, then trudged back to the bus stop. Similar things have also happened to my sister and a co-worker's daughter.

Different cultures, I guess...