07-03-2001, 10:26 AM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Summer Nat'ls results?
How good is the USFA about posting results from the summer Nationals right away?
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07-03-2001, 11:15 AM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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| Fairly quick, given the sheer size of the event. They usually have the results up a day or two after the event.
Keep in mind, that this is a LARGE event, so be patient.
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07-03-2001, 11:19 AM
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| Big event, bah! Two or three days, double bah!
We live in a computerized age of shuffling data from one medium to another with a few keystrokes. I expect to see individual event results online shortly after they calculate them at the venue itself.
Open file, copy data from computers at event, edit for simple formatting mistakes, close file. Ta-da!
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07-03-2001, 04:53 PM
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| Two or three days? Try 9., with multiple events every day. My two events has 200+ people each!
Yes, we live in a computerized age, but it still takes time to run and compile the data.
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07-04-2001, 06:00 AM
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| Hopefully the local host will put results on their page. In the past they have often been quicker than the USFA>
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07-04-2001, 06:34 PM
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| Quote:
Originally posted by Purple Fencer:
... Yes, we live in a computerized age, but it still takes time to run and compile the data.
| Oh, fer ...
I can appreciate your desire to defend hardworking USFA volunteers, and my original suggestion may have been stretching their capabilities just a smidgeon. ... But using the time to compile data as an argument point is a little silly. At the competition, winners are recorded and a winners list is printed THAT DAY. A data file is put together as the events are concluded. It's sent to a computer printer. The competitors get to see a final list posted somewhere at the venue. And that means that the same text could be posted online with a few additional keystrokes.
So pick some stronger issues to stand behind. Not enough manpower to spare for the task, for example, or a lack of computer internet connections at the competition. Kick me back with something REASONABLE -- I'll probably deserve a thump on the nose. | |
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07-05-2001, 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Bugaboo:
At the competition, winners are recorded and a winners list is printed THAT DAY. A data file is put together as the events are concluded. It's sent to a computer printer. The competitors get to see a final list posted somewhere at the venue. And that means that the same text could be posted online with a few additional keystrokes.
So pick some stronger issues to stand behind. Not enough manpower to spare for the task, for example, or a lack of computer internet connections at the competition. Kick me back with something REASONABLE -- I'll probably deserve a thump on the nose.
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Not necessarrily, Boo. I've seen some programs that aren't designed to download the results in a format that can be exported. Unless he's updated it, Barry Tice's "Point Control" can't do it, although I suggested he add the feature. I'm fairly certain USFA's using the current version of XSeed,and I don't think it can export results. That means the results must either be entered into the web program by hand, or by usig a scanner and doing some checking and cleanup.
When the SOCal Division ran the Jr. PCCs a year or so back, I was the webmaster for the site. Yes, it wasa FAR smaller competition, but we used XSeed and I had to enter all the results by hand.
As for giving you other reasons, well you already mentioned them, so I won't be redundant. I stand by my original statements. Please note that neither Dave Sapery NOR the local organizing groups have posted results from the first two days as of right now (11:46 am PST).
Of COURSE we wanna see who won...but running a tournament that includes up to 12 separate events in one day comes first.
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07-05-2001, 11:03 AM
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| Hey! What's up with the reasonable response?! I was expecting anger, resentment and name-calling!
(Sheesh. Just when you think you know a message board, someone comes along and messes things up...)
So it's a rotten program, huh? OK. I can live with that. You'd think someone in this big wide wonderful fencing world of ours would have the skills to develop stronger computer software by now.
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07-05-2001, 12:10 PM
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| It's the USFA Summer Nationals, not the Olympics. There's no urgency for the USFA to post results immediately whether or not they have the capability. The people who really need to know the results are in Sacramento or know someone at the event.
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07-05-2001, 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Purple Fencer:
Not necessarrily, Boo. I've seen some programs that aren't designed to download the results in a format that can be exported. Unless he's updated it, Barry Tice's "Point Control" can't do it, although I suggested he add the feature. I'm fairly certain USFA's using the current version of XSeed,and I don't think it can export results. That means the results must either be entered into the web program by hand, or by usig a scanner and doing some checking and cleanup.
When the SOCal Division ran the Jr. PCCs a year or so back, I was the webmaster for the site. Yes, it wasa FAR smaller competition, but we used XSeed and I had to enter all the results by hand.
As for giving you other reasons, well you already mentioned them, so I won't be redundant. I stand by my original statements. Please note that neither Dave Sapery NOR the local organizing groups have posted results from the first two days as of right now (11:46 am PST).
Of COURSE we wanna see who won...but running a tournament that includes up to 12 separate events in one day comes first.
| Sam do you think it would be possible to send me a copy of a results file coming from XSeed? I'd like to try and reverse engineer it to see if we can write some soft that can transform those results into HTML or something that's actually usable.
PM me and we can talk about this.
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07-05-2001, 12:51 PM
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| I was watching last summer because we had some Michiganders fencing in several events, and it seemed to me that most, if not all, of the results were posted between 11pm and 1am EST every night. And last summer Nationals were in Austin, right? I would expect the same or similar this year. | |
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07-05-2001, 03:53 PM
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| Well so far it seems that Sac sucks more than Austin at posting results. They have not posted any results yet.
fencingsucks has some results from Mens Foil Div I indiv and team.
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07-05-2001, 09:45 PM
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#13 | | Guest | results from days 1 and 2 are up (1:45 am eastern) on friday... they say results will be updated every two or three days. | |
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07-05-2001, 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by Bugaboo:
Hey! What's up with the reasonable response?! I was expecting anger, resentment and name-calling!
(Sheesh. Just when you think you know a message board, someone comes along and messes things up...)
So it's a rotten program, huh? OK. I can live with that. You'd think someone in this big wide wonderful fencing world of ours would have the skills to develop stronger computer software by now.
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HA! Methinks you ask too much. Remember, you're trying to apply logic to a national sports body. Ain't gonna happen.
As far as a reasonable response...why should I flame you for expressing your opinion? Flaming in public's not my style anyway. Contrary to popular opinion, it IS possible to hold a rational and gentlemanly discussion with wildly differing opinions.
But if you want name calling...YOU'RE SUCH A BUGABOO!!! 
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07-05-2001, 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by veeco:
Sam do you think it would be possible to send me a copy of a results file coming from XSeed? I'd like to try and reverse engineer it to see if we can write some soft that can transform those results into HTML or something that's actually usable.
PM me and we can talk about this. | Veeco...you misunderstand. The Jr. PCCs was run on XSeed, but there was no function to export the data. I was given a hardcopy printout and typed all the results into my web program by hand.
'Sides 1) I don't even have XSeed myself and 2) Point Control (from what little I remember) was designed for more oprdinary people to run. it's pretty intuative and easy to run, something XSeed sometimes was not.
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07-06-2001, 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by foilist:
results from days 1 and 2 are up (1:45 am eastern) on friday... they say results will be updated every two or three days. | Posted where? | |
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07-06-2001, 07:15 AM
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| Posted at www.usfencing.org - finally!
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07-06-2001, 10:44 AM
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| reading the results are great! i kept looking for names that i knew and i saw a few, you did great thanks for keeping us on the "edge" of our seats. | |
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07-06-2001, 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Purple Fencer:
Veeco...you misunderstand. The Jr. PCCs was run on XSeed, but there was no function to export the data. I was given a hardcopy printout and typed all the results into my web program by hand.
'Sides 1) I don't even have XSeed myself and 2) Point Control (from what little I remember) was designed for more oprdinary people to run. it's pretty intuative and easy to run, something XSeed sometimes was not.
| OK, but there must be some place where the program stores its data on the disk... If we can figure this out, then we can reverse engineer the file and grab what we want...
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07-06-2001, 10:08 PM
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| Ok, so here I am, eating dinner while reading fencing.net on my WIRELESS handspring visor (many referees are using either the Visor or the Palm handhelds to keep score...boy is my writing hand cramped!)
Anyway, here are some results:
Div I MF: Sean McClain beating Jed Dupree.
DITMMF: NYAC beats Rochester
OTMME: TZCKA beats Olde Towne
Div I MS: Ivan Lee (of course) beats Jason Rogers. Sabre will be the first fencing sport to break the mainstream media. It was really fun to watch.
The NorCal Div composite got 20 points on NYFC in the Div I Men's Sabre. Nailed those parry ripostes!
Some Hurley girl took the Y-12 girls' foil.
CFA, seeded 34th in the open men's epee team, beats the #31st seed team: Salle d'Escrime
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