09-03-2005, 11:35 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Squeezing your helmet!
Is squeezing the helmet bad for it? I guess my head is longer than is should be, and most masks are either too wide for my head (moves around too much... the mask, not my head) or too tight around the chin/throat. I've compressed the sides of elec. sabre mask to alleviate the pressure around the throat, but is that bad for the mesh?? If I had a head like Charlie Brown, I think my mask would fit perfectly... | 
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09-04-2005, 03:00 AM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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| If you can alter the shape of your mask significantly by squeezing it, it sounds like a pretty flimsy mask.
Some masks are longer than others, some are wider. Save up for a new mask that fits properly and doesn't bend so easily.
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09-04-2005, 03:08 AM
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| When I first bought a mask in person at AFS they squeezed it a bit to adjust the shape to better fit my head. I don't think it's a problem. | |
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09-04-2005, 05:51 AM
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| I was told by my coach it was fine, and I've also seen some fencers (younger ones) sitting on their masks to help them fit their slightly undersized heads.
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09-04-2005, 09:41 AM
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| I fit mask to pepole by squeeszing them to fit there face the mask are design to able to fit diffferent people. www.yeoldearmourer.com
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09-04-2005, 12:31 PM
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| I also adjust masks to fit the face. It is very common and often the only way to get a good fit at all angles. It is not bad for the mask unless it is done very often. With regards to it not being possible unless the mask is flimsy, that is simply incorrect. You just have to squeeze harder with a good mask!  I have used/sold/adjusted every mask on the market with the exception of the visored jobs (in which case overbending could actually be bad) with no problems or shortened lifespan of the mask, so go ahead and adjust it untill it fits you right. An ill fitted mask can be both uncomfortable and unsafe.
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09-04-2005, 01:51 PM
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#7 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Tsk! Altering the shape of the mask means it is no longer the same as the one which was tested for and received the FIE imprimatur! You invalidate the FIE stamp by squeezing it! That's very naughty, you know.  | |
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09-04-2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Tsk! Altering the shape of the mask means it is no longer the same as the one which was tested for and received the FIE imprimatur! You invalidate the FIE stamp by squeezing it! That's very naughty, you know. | Is it? Considering they do not send every size, the size does not matter and what they are doing is adjusting the size. Also, consider this, you get a dent in the mask. Does that means, "means it is no longer the same as the one which was tested for and received the FIE imprimatur"? You have change the shape!
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09-04-2005, 02:19 PM
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#9 | | Immortal
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| The first time I checked my mask in for a German championships, the armorer took it and squeezed the **** out of it. It fit much better afterward, and I've become an unrepentant mask squeezer myself.
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09-04-2005, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Tsk! Altering the shape of the mask means it is no longer the same as the one which was tested for and received the FIE imprimatur! You invalidate the FIE stamp by squeezing it! That's very naughty, you know. | As long as I don't take one in the eye, I'm happy. I only have two of them..  | |
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09-04-2005, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Tsk! Altering the shape of the mask means it is no longer the same as the one which was tested for and received the FIE imprimatur! You invalidate the FIE stamp by squeezing it! That's very naughty, you know. | Donald beat me to it....but squeezing the mask to adjust the FIT is not the same as adjusting the design....THAT would invalidate the FIE status of said mask... | |
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09-04-2005, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by penguin_2000 As long as I don't take one in the eye, I'm happy. I only have two of them.. | I don't know, there's a third on the smily you chose there. And aren't we all supposed by Eastern mysticism to have an inner "third eye"?
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09-04-2005, 03:40 PM
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| I know that and you know that, but those new people who see Expert, might not know it. Maybe, since you had the smiley face, they may have. I hope I wasn't to hard on you.
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09-04-2005, 05:40 PM
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| My coach squeezed my mask when I first got it and he said it didn't do any harm, so I guess its not bad for the mask unless you squeeze it too much.
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09-04-2005, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr I know that and you know that, but those new people who see Expert, might not know it. Maybe, since you had the smiley face, they may have. I hope I wasn't to hard on you. | It should trouble everyone that I am considered an "expert" on anything. 
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09-05-2005, 10:45 PM
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#16 | | Boom!
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| This is another one of those things that new people to the sport should be warned about. For example, someone plops down 150 bucks or whatever for a brand new mask. They're proud of that mask, how it looks, what it means about their committment to the sport, and how they'll never have to use a club mask again. Then, the first thing that their coach does is say:
"Nice mask - ooh, a Leon Paul, this is a good choice for you. Let me see it for a second."
The beaming owner passes over the brand new mask... just to watch the coach BEGIN TO CRUSH IT. After ten agonizing seconds, the mask is passed back, the coach says to try it on, and - it fits... even better.
Same thing happened to, er, this "friend of mine" when he bought his first foil, brought it in, and his coach took it from him and STEPPED ON IT!!! 
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09-05-2005, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatReallyHurt This is another one of those things that new people to the sport should be warned about. For example, someone plops down 150 bucks or whatever for a brand new mask. They're proud of that mask, how it looks, what it means about their committment to the sport, and how they'll never have to use a club mask again. Then, the first thing that their coach does is say:
"Nice mask - ooh, a Leon Paul, this is a good choice for you. Let me see it for a second."
The beaming owner passes over the brand new mask... just to watch the coach BEGIN TO CRUSH IT. After ten agonizing seconds, the mask is passed back, the coach says to try it on, and - it fits... even better.
Same thing happened to, er, this "friend of mine" when he bought his first foil, brought it in, and his coach took it from him and STEPPED ON IT!!! | Ok I get why you'd squeeze the mask (my coach did it to mine) but why would he step on the foil?
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09-05-2005, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrastVitesse Ok I get why you'd squeeze the mask (my coach did it to mine) but why would he step on the foil? | To put a bend in it so it wouldn't break. | |
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09-05-2005, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs To put a bend in it so it wouldn't break. | I tell you, I could FEEL my eyes bugging out of my head...
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09-06-2005, 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata It should trouble everyone that I am considered an "expert" on anything.
Unless of course the title is intended as sarcasm. | I think Craig couldn't remember how to spell curmudgeon. | |
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