Foilists: What are you hoping for in terms of timings for next season?

[dramamine]

This happens a *lot*. I had someone hit me 4 times in six touches Wednesday, solid straight hits, I got one light counter-attacks. Unfortunately two of them were off-target. He changed blades after the first two. After the next two we decided to switch from the Favero box to the SG-12. Out of the next 6 touches he only had 2 straight hits that didn't register.

The only circuit I went to was Chattanooga, and I don't recall what brand of machines they were using there but I saw many straight hits that didn't go off. One bout Boaz Ellis hit his opponent with 9 solid straight attacks and won 5-4.

The timing is broken. There is no doubt about it.

gary hayenga

Do you have a video camera? Someone with proof of this happening *literally* a third of the time they are fencing consistently would be sufficient to prove the timings are 'broken' once and for all.

Someone at your club must have a camera?

[Alan]

The best thing for foil would be that his majesty stops
doing anything about it.

(after having put back the official timings of course)

[keith]

so we all know that with the new timing you have to take better care of your weapons; its sooooo obvious and everyone gets all bored by having it stated again and again.

... last few times I've been fencing foil I have had to take my opponents weapon away from them and retape the tip so I could have a meaningful bout with them.

I vote leave the timings as they are.

[pigeonmeister]

I agree with keith, good tip maintenance has eliminated the vast majority of hits not registering for me. I have also fenced people with old tips, springs or badly taped tips, and have noticed several straight hits not land on me.

I initially hated the new timings, but have enjoyed adapting to them in the end. I think that foil is definately improving as a spectacle from what it was almost a year ago. I sense less frustration amongst fencers, to the point where they no longer consider walking out on the game if the changes were permanent. If I am honest with myself, as much as I liked the old timings, I think that 15ms was a bit much. I would personaly prefer to keep the debounce time but go to 8-10ms.

I think that hits that arrive hard when 1 or both fencers close distance are the ones that consistently dont come up. Esp when the mask is hit. As this is basically a case of poor distance I can't decide whether this is acceptable or not. In terms of well executed straight attacks I might have 1 or 2 in a whole competetion, I can't decide whether this is acceptable. Maybe at 14-14 it would not! But has an important international fight been won or lost cos a valid hit has not registered? Surely there must be some anecdotal evidence if this had happend.

So I want 8-10ms, same debounce time, and forget all the silly ideas about removing the white light or having the bib/arm on target.

[ChubbyHubby]

So I want 8-10ms, same debounce time, and forget all the silly ideas about removing the white light or having the bib/arm on target.

Do you mean 8-10ms debounce and same block out?

[MikeHarm]

I'm good with keeping the timings the way they are. I like fencing under them better than under the old timings.

[j4gg3d3dg399]

Dramamine, if you want some physical evidence, I noticed ONE instance in the Paris CIP 2005 DVD that Craig is selling that where (I think this was the bout of Mocek and Guyart in the team event) in the bout Mocek fleches at Guyart and it doesn't land and he has to do an immediate replacement in order to get a light on. This doesn't really pose as much of an argument as it is only one instance in that entire video. The effects of straight attacks not registering is more due to the condition of the weapons than that effect of the box. If you have a tip that is partially clean, some of the debris may cause an instance when the 15ms debouce time is broken, which could cause the tip not to depress for long enough to register.

[Amadeus]

to get back to the topic of this old thread, as a fencer, i like the new timings best, but as a spectator, i like the old ones.