Are there new timings for sabre being tested by FIE this year?

[ViewtifulMisho]

Someone told me that the lockout time for sabre is being changed, by the FIE, to be between the old and the current time. Any truth to this?

[downunder]

you'll find out in november

[ViewtifulMisho]

I tried and failed ):

[Sabresque]

I know at least there were testings and demonstrations done to try and prove the new timing's ineffectiveness in sabre and to get it lengthened to somewhere in between.

[Zhi]

Im a sabre fencer, please post it up when there's a changes made....
Thanks

[KD5MDK]

Originally Posted by Sabresque

I know at least there were testings and demonstrations done to try and prove the new timing's ineffectiveness in sabre and to get it lengthened to somewhere in between.

Eh? Any more information on this?

[downunder]

Proposition Nr. 7 by the Hungarian Fencing Federation


Re-establish AT SABRE the blocking times at 300-350 milliseconds (instead of the current 120
milliseconds).


Motivation : The introduction of the current Rule at 120 milliseconds is unfavourable to a fencer, who
executes a parade-riposte because his opponent who attacks, after the parade, in leaving his blade
on the valid surface (by a « remise ») always precedes such a riposte executed so quickly. The new
Rule reduces the moderated actions of this weapon.



Opinion of the Commission : not in favour : however, some members of the Commission
confirm that the problem as described does exist and would be in favour of a slight increase in
the blockage time.





as i said guys, you'll find out in november...

[rcmatthews]

I think that somewhere in between might not be too bad of an idea. I think that the old timings were too long, favoring a slow attack that waits for a counter and then finishes, which in many instances I think should be a valid counter. However, the short timing causes remises to win over ripostes. Something in the range 175-200 might not be bad, but I really dont want to pay to get our chips replaced again.

[sabreur]

Originally Posted by downunder

Proposition Nr. 7 by the Hungarian Fencing Federation


Re-establish AT SABRE the blocking times at 300-350 milliseconds (instead of the current 120
milliseconds).


Motivation : The introduction of the current Rule at 120 milliseconds is unfavourable to a fencer, who
executes a parade-riposte because his opponent who attacks, after the parade, in leaving his blade
on the valid surface (by a « remise ») always precedes such a riposte executed so quickly. The new
Rule reduces the moderated actions of this weapon.



Opinion of the Commission : not in favour : however, some members of the Commission
confirm that the problem as described does exist and would be in favour of a slight increase in
the blockage time.

Geeze, it is wonderful that reality is able to intrude into their fantasy world to the point where they recognize that the problem exists.

It isn't a huge issue, because actions off the blade aren't that important anyway, and if you execute the action sharply, you'll still get the touch. But there IS a problem, and properly executed parry-ripostes and beat-attacks do get closed out.

MR

[KD5MDK]

I think the new timings encourage effective parries and strong ripostes, but that's just me.

[Inquartata]

IMO they encourage hesitant ripostes. Whereas before you could riposte smoothly, if not lightning fast, with confidence that a remise would not be awarded priority, now you must adopt a certain amount of caution while riposting, lest you get locked out by a point-waving opponent grazing you on the way in. You now have to allow for the possibility of that remise, and may have to take the blade a second time before your final cut---or pause in your advance in order to let the remise miss...which may well lose you ROW.

[sabreur]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I think the new timings encourage effective parries and strong ripostes, but that's just me.

They encourage a certain kind of parry--one that is taken moving forward and is almost a counter-attack with opposition. Two lights, the parry-riposte gets priority.

The new timings have made it easier to call a parry versus a whipover--again, two lights go on, the parry was good and the riposte has priority.

However, the new timings have made a quinte parry a considerably riskier action, because it is difficult to make the parry and complete the riposte without being locked out by a whipover or remise. And they've made it almost impossible to take a prime successfully.

They also have made a stop-cut into the final motion of an attack much less risky, and have made a beat attack very high adventure indeed. Particularly against an opponent who is retreating.

Net result. Actions on the blade (parries or beats) have become riskier, so good fencers use fewer of them. Which makes sabre, which is already basically a game of footwork, even more so.