09-09-2001, 11:46 PM
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#41 | | Member
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| Paolo edew count me in on the fifty for the MF team. I have nothing against France but I am giving China my sympathatic vote on account of the last 2 WC.
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09-10-2001, 03:58 AM
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#42 | | Senior Member
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| well guys there will have so many pumping yankees soon !!! u ll be abble to create a new room here : "fencing fitness" | |
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09-10-2001, 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by soos:
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robin is pretty strong man ! thats an epeeist view of foil ...
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He for sure is physically strong. Now to say that he's smart is another story. I saw him fence in the FNSU Champs in 90-something. When he fenced someone stronger than him, he just collapsed.
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and puttin 10-2 less or more to robin in final makes u a great foilist, thats truth ... and for sure great finisher ...
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That just makes you either of 2 things:
-1 You have bigger muscles than him, or
-2 You are smarter than him.
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et ouep veeco, nous on va gagner au fleuret ! try to do the same in epee ... then we ll see !
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Epee seems to me like it's more of a given than foil. France has not won one single team world cup this year in MF. In ME, they haven't lost. We're talking about the 2 opposite ends of the spectrum here.
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| You seem to have a very self centered image of fencing in France too. Just because someone beat another french guy in the national tournaments doesn't mean that they are the best in the world. The ultimate test comes on the strip, when you are facing the best in the world. That's what the WC are for. I will hope for the French Foil team to get a medal in this year's WC, but I am not sure 100% like you seem to be that they will get the Gold. That's all. Now if that makes me a traitor, then, that's fine by me. I'm a traitor. After all, Judas got some money out of his deal w/ Ponce Pilate 
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09-10-2001, 12:19 PM
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| Also, I forgot to say: I'd love to see a final in WS between France and USA. And it seems like it's very likely to happen. I definitely want to see Anne-Lise Touya fence Mariel Zagunis...
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09-10-2001, 03:57 PM
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#45 | | Senior Member
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| hey veeco, as i know robine pretty well i ll told him about that
and for MF team result, i think last WC+OG were a proof of what team france can do. Now i ll be in Nimes the day theyll fight ! and i ll shout for them ...
and of couse i m centered on france as i m not involved in WC, anyway i can see what best french can do in some national circuit where germans come or polish (melun for instance) and the WC in parsi (cip) + i have friends in the INSEP, so that they tell me about how its going ...
anyway i m still sure of our foil ... and i m only speaking about MF team, last results in world champ +OG were good enough u must admit ...
anyway i wont change anything in my views ...
as i m a french foiler i ll alwatys be for FRANCE, and i may say that at least i know a bit of what the team can do : thats why i say they ll win ... the topic was asking ppl about that i guess ?! so i answered in the field i knew
PS : hey veeco ? c etait a grenoble je suppose pour les U ???  marrant j y etait aussi si c etait labas ... | |
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09-10-2001, 05:21 PM
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#46 | | Member
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| Quote:
Originally posted by soos:
<STRONG> the topic was asking ppl about that i guess ?! so i answered in the field i knew
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Hey as topic starter, that is exactly what I meant.
I am kind of tired of people arguing about the historical aspects of fencing, rather than the sport itself.
And, talking smack can be fun.
Personally, I hope the French lose.
And I would love to make a wager...
Something like if I win the bet you'd have proclaim how great whatever team that beats France is, and horrible France is...
And if I lose, I have to a poem about the greatness of France and all things French, and how the world revolves around France...
But, hey then again, I LOVE talking smack. | |
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09-10-2001, 05:45 PM
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| Oh by the way, Jean-Yves Robin's original fencing club is Vernon. How funny, it's so close to mine! I even fenced him in foil when we were little kids. And I beated him
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09-10-2001, 05:50 PM
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| okay ! just start composing ur poem man ! i dont fear anything with the unbeatable team we have !
anyway i would do a poem to, but as english isnt my mother tongue , would be too hard, and not fair ...
anyway i wont need too ... and i guess that u ll pump that much the 31st of october that u all will double the us pertol production of 1 year in 1 day only..... !!!!!!! | |
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09-10-2001, 05:54 PM
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| Just write it in French, and I'll post it in English right after.
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09-10-2001, 06:00 PM
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#50 | | Senior Member
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| non tu vas trahir mes paroles ! hahaha
de toutes facon on EST champion du monde ! pas besoin !!!!! | |
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09-10-2001, 06:01 PM
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#51 | | Senior Member
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| en plus un poeme ca peut pas se traduire ! en plus .... | |
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09-10-2001, 06:07 PM
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| I won't change the meaning of your writing. I will respect both the spirit and the letter of what is written in your poem.
If I were you, just in case, I'll start working on it. If France wins, you won't have to post it, and if France looses (which again, I hope won't happen, but it's a possibility).
I have translated many documents from French to English and have never commited a mistranslation.
Je ne changerai ni l'esprit ni le contenu de ton poeme.
Si j'etais toi, je commencerais a bosser dessus tout de suite, parce que je pense que les chances de l'equipe de France, bien qu'assez bonnes, ne sont pas si sures que tu ne sembles penser.
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09-10-2001, 06:10 PM
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#53 | | Fencing Expert
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| Of course you can translate poems!
Here's the proof:
The Raven, from Edgar Allan Poe, in English: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corr...220/raven.html
And now in French: http://www.rocler.qc.ca/cduret/usher/Poe.html
One in many examples of a fine translation.
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09-10-2001, 06:13 PM
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| Quote:
Originally posted by d8m:
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And if I lose, I have to a poem about the greatness of France and all things French, and how the world revolves around France...
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| d8m if you are who I think you are, man I'd love to see your poem. Would be kind of funny to see what you'll write
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09-10-2001, 06:16 PM
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| hey veeco ! u ll see what he ll write !! | |
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09-10-2001, 06:18 PM
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| Well, in both cases, I promise one thing:
both these fine pieces of litterature will be translated in either French in the case d8m looses his bet, and in English if soos does. This way everyone will be able to enjoy the essence of what the other party had to say...
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09-10-2001, 06:28 PM
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#57 | | Member
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| Quote:
Originally posted by soos:
<STRONG>hey veeco ! u ll see what he ll write !!</STRONG>
| Big talk from a man who, admittedly, knows little about fencing outside of France.
Also big talk considering that the French MF team has won no tournaments this year!
But that's ok, I'm gonna start working on my Ode to France just for kicks...
Veeco,
You found me out huh? | |
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09-11-2001, 04:17 AM
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#58 | | Senior Member
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| well d8m, i must admit i dont know much about fencing out of france, cos i m not international. Anyway reading results of WC doesnt make ppl know world fencing. To "know" this as u say, u must fence at world level...
And i know pretty well foil, thats why i talk loud ...
and for "winning WC thsi year" : u must know that it wasnt the TYPICALL team france who fenced at those WC ! cose we have about 15 guys in "club france", and they all fenced in WC+europe champ+universiad, that way there were many different composition of team france. BUT for the world champ, that s THE REAL team france which go there ... and this is not a big talk, thats the truth. See, at least i know enough about team France ...
And for those who follow international results, just watch out the attely s ones, then u ll know him better... | |
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09-11-2001, 11:58 AM
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#59 | | Member
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| Quote:
Originally posted by soos:
<STRONG>And i know pretty well foil, thats why i talk loud ...
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| Really that's why you talk loud? I just thought you were French! 
That's OK, though, cause our W. saber team is gonna kill yours! 
I'd brag about the other U.S. teams, but...
I also hope you poetry writing skills are up to speed. If not, you should start brushing up...
Anyway, I'm kind of disappointed that more people aren't writing on this thread.
Are we the only ones (on this site) interested in the top-level of the sport?
You don't need to know too much to brag and pick favorites people... | |
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09-11-2001, 12:14 PM
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| I too would like to see China in the finals for MF Team again. They were able to pull out some remarkable touches in the past - another China/France showdown would be great.
The Italian WF team is unstoppable. If the brackets work out, they could even sweep the medals, but I don't think that will happen.
I'm pulling for the US for WS team and individual. We'll get medals in each, and I think gold in team. Sada and Mariel have a good chance in individual.
Cheers,
Craig | |
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