World Championships Coming Up

[soos]

well guys i dont want u to cry, but no team will beat france in foil men ...

i speak about MF only cos i a man, and a foiler and i know all the members of team france as i fence against thme in national...

probably u dont know loic attely, but i can assure u that he is WAY STRONGER than anything u can imagine those days ...
in france champ men foil team, in the final his team was leaded sthg like 34-40, and last guys for henin beaumont was jean yves robin (WC by team last year , or the year before) and attely won sthg like 45-41 (or 42)

actually that day he was amazing and a friend of mine who is in team france too had bet on attely for the win by team despite the 34-40 ...

i must admit that i dont know at all the guys from othe country, but i know well the french ones, and i can say thats probably one of the best team france ever

plumail and lhotelier, despite they r strong, couldnt win vs attely or ferrari (or even guyart) at the moment, so i have no problem saying team france will win.

for the individual champ i cant say anything, but team champs r really predictable, no chance in it : france will win ...

i let u bet on other weapons

[soos]

Originally posted by edew:
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As for France, Plumenail and L'Hotelier gone is a big loss. Guyart is quite good. Ferrari may be beatable. His game is very limited.

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yeap limited ? well okay, but thats a machine and when u r in front of him u dont understand a bloody thing cos he lights everything evrywhere .. thats true he is dirty ... but he is quite efficient and he kicks asses... thats a fact

then for technic and style u have attely and guyart + boidin, and boidin is very experienced ...

as a summary : team FRANCE men foil : WC

ps : and we play at home !!!!, maybe i ll go there to see, thats 300km from here ... i ll go for teams and i ll make a report here

[veeco]

Originally posted by soos:
<STRONG>in france champ men foil team, in the final his team was leaded sthg like 34-40, and last guys for henin beaumont was jean yves robin (WC by team last year , or the year before) and attely won sthg like 45-41 (or 42)
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Jean-Yves Robin is not that good of a foil fencer. He never really broke through and I don't think that this result gives Attely much credit. I would give Attely this: his performance in the French Foil World Cup this year was amazing and that's why I think he will be a very good foil fencer. I still think he's a bit too young to win this year. Overall the Men's Foil french team is good but the only really experienced guy in the lot is Boidin. I have to give this one to d8m, Bissdorf is amazing and he speaks French almost fluently, so he's won my heart :-).

[edew]

Another one to consider among the women foilists is Indra Angad-Gaur. She's a Golubitsky protege.

Bissdorf looks like a strong candidate for the men's foil (from looking at the FIE website).

Laura Badea's done. So's Laura Flessel-Colovic: she haven't fenced since Olympics. I'm surprised by the high rankings for the italian women epeeists. Maybe they'll be a factor.

[d8m]

Originally posted by edew:
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Laura Badea's done.</STRONG>

Badea is 3rd in the world. How is that done?

[soos]

veeco ! traitre !

robin is pretty strong man ! thats an epeeist view of foil ...

and puttin 10-2 less or more to robin in final makes u a great foilist, thats truth ... and for sure great finisher ...

et ouep veeco, nous on va gagner au fleuret ! try to do the same in epee ... then we ll see !

ciao man ! and traitor ! i m for france only ! even when they do epee !!!!!!!!!!



[ 09-07-2001: Message edited by: soos ]

[MHS Fencer]

I don't have much to say, just because my experience is almost purely limited to the US.

ME: Can't say I like Obry - I watched him fence once and he didn't seem that great - he's on his way out the door. Eric Hansen doing well for the US? I don't think so. The guy is experienced and seems to be quick enough for the most part, but I just can't see him doing much (his game seems a bit shallow). I'd like to see Rashaan do well, but I don't think he has the experience or the training regimen to do well. I've learned to love the Hungarians, so I'll be cheering for Kovaacs (sp?).

WF: All I can do is comment about some of the US team. Iris Zimmerman's been at it some, but took some time off as well. I haven't seen her in more than a month (she was visiting my club in late July) and I heard her remark that it was her first time fencing since nationals (i think i recall it - i'm often mistaken). Erin Smart has been going at it a lot it seems, and her lessons look good, but I'm not sure how much of that is transferring to her bouting (it's good, but not great). Alternate Emily Cross is always going at it with a vengeance, but i don't think that she's going, so that doesn't matter.

MS: Ivan Lee and Keith Smart have been training, although not as regularly as before the Olympics. I'm sure Herby Raynaud's been in as well, although I haven't seen him (I took some time off in August).

-Ian

[damianip]

Originally posted by soos:
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yeap limited ? well okay, but thats a machine and when u r in front of him u dont understand a bloody thing cos he lights everything evrywhere .. thats true he is dirty ... but he is quite efficient and he kicks asses... thats a fact
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It seems to me that he is very good at choking: OG Bronze medal match against Shevtchenko, 1998 WC men's team foil he was the weakest of the three. He didn't look so great in the OG team event either. I thought that Guyart and Plumenail carried him.

Paolo

[edew]

Originally posted by d8m:
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Badea is 3rd in the world. How is that done?</STRONG>

She hasn't fenced a WCup since March at Salzburg (or at least not placed top-64, which is unlikely). She may be doing something since then.

[damianip]

Badea also seemd to be absent from the European Championships in July.

Paolo

[soos]

hey damianip, sure u can say that : but facts r facts : WC+olympic champ with france, did several finals ... well u can say he is crap, i dont like him much but the truth is that he still kicks asses ... and france will win.
Well if a guy who was 3 at WC ranking and WC+OC is the weakest of our tea as u say, for sure we ll win the WC, else u have to find a good explanation to explain me how we could loose .......

for plumnail, he is over now ...

[damianip]

Originally posted by soos:
<STRONG>hey damianip, sure u can say that : but facts r facts : WC+olympic champ with france, did several finals ... well u can say he is crap, i dont like him much but the truth is that he still kicks asses ... and france will win.
Well if a guy who was 3 at WC ranking and WC+OC is the weakest of our tea as u say, for sure we ll win the WC, else u have to find a good explanation to explain me how we could loose .......

for plumnail, he is over now ...</STRONG>

I didn't say Ferrari was crap. I think he is a strong, dominating fencer. He just seems to choke in some critical situations.

How can France lose? On any given day any top fencer can beat another. How did France lose in 98? They should have won.

How did they lose the Men's team épée at the OG? On paper they should have won. They didn't.

There are no sure things. I agree that France is a strong contender for the gold at the WC, but a sure thing? Not even the Italian women are a sure thing, and they are heads and shoulders above their competition.

Paolo

[soos]

i dont care about women or epee, i just speak about MF as its my sport ... so if eppeists loose thats their problem ...

but i still say that france will win WC in MF ...

and probably, the guy ending the game will be chosen during the day before the final ...
attely could be a good choice

errr and about choking, well ferrari just won in OG while we were leaded by 4 touch (i guess) ... so thats no that bad ...

anyway i thing attely could finish ... i ll see that in final ....

[edew]

Soos, put your money where your mouth is. France doesn't win the MF team, two-hundred push-ups. France wins, we'll all do the two-hundred (I'll do fifty, Paolo can do fifty, and two others or more can split the amount!).

[soos]

edew ... start training man ... few days to go ... and 50 isnt a joke...

[rjccj]

Count me in for 50 push ups. My bet is on Kim since Golubitski isn't fencing. Not sure which of the Italian women I like, but they are like the Mariners for the series this year, not a sure thing, but as close as you can get. Don't know enough about the other weapons to make bets on them, but will go ahead and pull for the US WS team.

[soos]

errrr RJ, we r about MF TEAM ! not individual for the push-ups stuff ....

[rjccj]

I know that. I'm not not going to bet on the french for anything having to do with foil.

[soos]

u r not going to bet ??!!!

errr u d better bet on epee or anything else .. as we r WC and OC in MF team .. thats a better choice giving up the bet on foil ...

[ 09-09-2001: Message edited by: soos ]

[rjccj]

Oh, I'm betting. Anyone except the French will win MF team. Will do 50 pushups with the others if the French do win. That's my bet.