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Old 08-29-2005, 05:21 PM   #1
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It appears that it's possible for a person who turns 49 after September to fence Vet-50. Am I reading the entry form correctly? How is that possible? Why? (Does that mean, if it is indeed correct, that they can't fence Vet-40?)
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It appears that it's possible for a person who turns 49 after September to fence Vet-50. Am I reading the entry form correctly? How is that possible? Why? (Does that mean, if it is indeed correct, that they can't fence Vet-40?)
The answer depends on the competition. To fence at the 2005 Tampa Vets World Championship you must be 50 years old by Aug 31, 2005.

We won't know the cutoff for the 2006 World Championships in England until we know the dates. The FIE defined the eligibility as meeting the age qualification on the first day of the month in which the competition is held.

In 2002, the tournament was Aug 30-Sep 1. So you had to be 50, for example, by July 31, 2002. In 2001 for the championships in Martinique which were held in May, you had to be 50 by April 30, 2001.

This is absurd, but who is surprised at that with the FIE involved? They should change it to have the eligibility date on Jan 1 of the year, as it is for Cadets and Juniors.

The USFA does its best. All this past year Larry Pinkus's points from the Richmond Veterans Nac were listed on the over 50 list. Note that the USFA had a list for over 50 while the FIE holds a World Championship for the 50-59 age group. Then he appeared on the entry list for the over 60 Men's Sabre for the Summer Championships. His birth date was March 1945. Then at Sacramento a couple of other strangers showed up.

The National Office will have to sort the fencers into the correct age group qualifer for this year where qualification will be by age group rather than in a combined Over 40 group. Up through this past year, they haven't really had to sort them out until the Summer Championships.

Another curiousity: the groups this year will be Over 40, 50-59, and Over 60. If you are in your 40's you have one event; If you are older you can choose to fence in two events in the same weapon, although only the age group will count towards team selection.
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Old 08-30-2005, 08:22 AM   #3
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In Russia Vet's competitions start from age 30. I thing it's good!
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There is a real competative "dead zone" for fencers after college. They are confined to local Opens until they can officially return to the competative Vet catagory. That's over 15 years off the radar! I guess you could have a life....
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In Russia Vet's competitions start from age 30. I thing it's good!
Yeah, otherwise where would oldsters like Podzniakov find appropriate competitions.... :)

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There is a real competative "dead zone" for fencers after college. They are confined to local Opens until they can officially return to the competative Vet catagory. That's over 15 years off the radar! I guess you could have a life....
I believe that would be when they're in the "Senior" age group, and the majority of our olympians fall into that category.
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I believe that would be when they're in the "Senior" age group, and the majority of our olympians fall into that category.

So that's the 20+ catagory! Thanks. I don't see that label too often and I wasn't sure of the age group when I did run across it. Much obliged.
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So that's the 20+ catagory! Thanks. I don't see that label too often and I wasn't sure of the age group when I did run across it. Much obliged.
Senior is 13+, which covers (among others) the 20-40 set.

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There is a real competative "dead zone" for fencers after college. They are confined to local Opens until they can officially return to the competative Vet catagory. That's over 15 years off the radar! I guess you could have a life....
That's when the kids are small. When the kids get old enough to fence then the parents can fence veterans.

There is a very extensive calendar on the German Veterans web site which lists about a tournament a month. It does list one or two from France, Italy, Austria, Belgium, etc.

http://www.senioren-fechten.de/

Some of the events have the lowest age of 40 but some do have a "class" down to 30.
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