allstar gloves??

[CMA]

i have been thinking about getting a new glove form allstar and there is not much on gloves in product review section and i was wondering are they worth getting.

pros?
cons?

[prototoast]

They're the same as the uhlmann gloves.

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by prototoast

They're the same as the uhlmann gloves.

No they're not.

They're red instead of blue.

-B :)

[keith]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

No they're not.

They're red instead of blue.

-B

we now know oiuyt isn't colour blind.

[fencinman89]

The polyamid fabric in the cuff says "Allstar" instead of "Uhlmann"
-Tre'

[Barry Paul]

Neither of the Alstar or Uhlmann Gloves are made to comply with Cen performance level 2. Also if you sweat with the Alstar glove your hand/jacket will be dyed red and with the Uhlmann glove blue.

Leon Paul G126 gloves are made to comply with the higher European Cen level 2 (we are in the process of having a Cen certification). In order to pass this standard one of the requirements is to have a 350 Newton strength material in the cuff and back of the hand. In the back of the hand inbetween the layers of leather (artificial washable) is 350 stretch material. Some fencers find this makes the gloves feel a little stiff but they losens up after a few nights fencing. If you get hit on the back of the hand or fingers especially fencers pommeling try the G128 which has energy absorbent foam in the back of the hand and fingers. Barry Paul

[Nusy]

Also PBT ones are made of 1/2 level materials, so they're 350N resistancy clothes. Though, I've never ever seen 800N ones.
So, Allstar/Uhlmann ones are totally the same fit as PBT, but (at least here) are way more expensive.
Barry Paul - I've never seen any of my clubmates with a red hand of a new Allstar glove... Or blue from Uhlmann. I guess they just don't colour bleed.

[R. Exnicios]

Here's my two cents.

I have been using Allstar gloves for several years andreally like them. I swithed from Prieur after Prieur stopped making the glove I liked. I actually do (or did) see a slight difference in the fit and fee lof the Allstar over the Uhlmann (and other brands).

I like the amount of feel I can get through the glove on the grip. I liike the fit and they seem sto hold up well. (My wife, however hates them and manages to get a hole in them in two pr three months. She fences with a pistol grip I fene with a french)

Now that all being said. I am considering switching to one a Leon Paul glove at least for epee. Last season at practice one of the Epee fencers at club (Jakob Anderson - thanks Jakob!) did a very nice flick to the center of my hand. The tip of the epee went stright through the glove and took a perfect epee point shaped chunk out of the back of my hand!

The best bet is to be able to try them on. It is always a bit of a suprise to see the variety in size of gloves that are the same size.

Cheers

R

[Smyles]

Originally Posted by Nusy

Barry Paul - I've never seen any of my clubmates with a red hand of a new Allstar glove... Or blue from Uhlmann. I guess they just don't colour bleed.

I've seen a few red (sometimes pink!) hands - the colours bleed when you wash the gloves... guess your clubmates haven't gotten around to washing their gloves yet

[El Chucko]

Originally Posted by Barry Paul

Leon Paul G126 gloves are made to comply with the higher European Cen level 2 (we are in the process of having a Cen certification). In order to pass this standard one of the requirements is to have a 350 Newton strength material in the cuff and back of the hand. In the back of the hand inbetween the layers of leather (artificial washable) is 350 stretch material. Some fencers find this makes the gloves feel a little stiff but they losens up after a few nights fencing. If you get hit on the back of the hand or fingers especially fencers pommeling try the G128 which has energy absorbent foam in the back of the hand and fingers. Barry Paul

I am actually in the market for a new glove as we speak. I absolutely love my LP uniform and mask, so I took a look at their gloves just last night. I don't recall if they offer a glove with that sticky/rubbery/textured grip on the palm, like Allstar/Uhlmann and a few others, but I may be interested in trying that.

Recently, the glove that I have been using is a stretchy synthetic material, that is very supple and similar in texture to calfskin or lambskin (NOT suede, which many synthetic gloves emulate). I love the way it feels, but it has not lasted very long, and the workmanship is pretty sub-par.

I have a feeling that I am just going to wait until I see a vendor at a tournament, so I can actually try them on. I don't remember who it was, but I recently read a post from someone who commented that the glove is the most overlooked-yet-important part of your gear. I am inclined to agree.

[great bowyer]

Originally Posted by Barry Paul

Neither of the Alstar or Uhlmann Gloves are made to comply with Cen performance level 2. Also if you sweat with the Alstar glove your hand/jacket will be dyed red and with the Uhlmann glove blue.

the uhlmann glove i have claims that it is in complience with the level 1. what exactly is the difference between the two standards. also, where can one find a list of specifications for other fencing equipment?

[WhipLash]

someone correct me if i'm wrong but from what i know a material that is cen 1 withstands 350N and for cen 2, 800N

but the uhlmann glove's cen 1 standard only applies to the cuff

[Pauli]

Originally Posted by CMA

i have been thinking about getting a new glove form allstar and there is not much on gloves in product review section and i was wondering are they worth getting.

pros?
cons?

I think it all depends on your needs and on the level of your fencing or the level you're aiming at. With this in mind, safety and your personal comfort are what counts. Plus of course what you can afford.

Me personally, I have been using Allstar and Uhlmann gloves. Both didn't color - my jacket never showed any signs of blue nor red. Personally, my favorite from the gloves I have used is the allstar gripstar.
But then, there are many typs of gloves that might be better.

Besides of that, I welcome the initiative to get the gloves certified thanks to materials that better protect the hand and the wrist.
In our club, we have some strong flickers. Especially in the beginning I got often hit strongly on the back of my hand or my wrist (or arm). Though, despite not having had certified gloves, I never got hurt.

So I really think part argument for the choice of your glove is, as said, the level you are fencing at.

[Barry Paul]

Originally Posted by WhipLash

someone correct me if i'm wrong but from what i know a material that is cen 1 withstands 350N and for cen 2, 800N

but the uhlmann glove's cen 1 standard only applies to the cuff

Sorry you are wrong in your asumption, because the cen regulations came after the F.i.E. regulations which refered to cloth with strength of 350 Newtons and 800 Newton. There is a general miss-understanding that the two levels are 350 and 800, for example Cen level 2 masks (F.I.E.) have bibs of 1600 Newtom and extra strong mesh.

So Uhlmann gloves might have a cuff of 350 newton but to meet the performance Cen level 2 the back of the hand has to be 350 Newton.

[WhipLash]

thanks for the correction, barry. eh...cen level 2 for gloves mean 350N?

so am i right to say that the mesh for both level 1 and 2 masks will resist 12kg and the difference is in the bib?

[fencinman89]

The bibs itself are different materials. For a mask to be certified FIE, the 3 control masks that are taken and tested must pass a 25k punch test.
-Tre'

[Tiptop]

Originally Posted by great bowyer

the uhlmann glove i have claims that it is in complience with the level 1. what exactly is the difference between the two standards. also, where can one find a list of specifications for other fencing equipment?

As Barry said there is a misunderstanding between these two levels because professional mix CE regulation and FIE or National rules.
The two levels as written in the european rules as

Level 1: no mortal risk so gloves, breeches are concerned ..
Level 2 : eath risk ; Jackets, masks,plastron for coach,breast protector

so get a 1600 Nw stuff has no connection with level..a glove is still level 1 even with a 3000 Nw clothes....
Maybe i'm wrong or maybe it is an understanding different in my country (france)but i studied the problem for a while and here is my conclusion.

[Tiptop]

Originally Posted by great bowyer

the uhlmann glove i have claims that it is in complience with the level 1. what exactly is the difference between the two standards. also, where can one find a list of specifications for other fencing equipment?

As Barry said there is a misunderstanding between these two levels because professional mix CE regulation and FIE or National rules.
The two levels as written in the european rules as

Level 1: no mortal risk so gloves, breeches are concerned ..
Level 2 : eath risk ; Jackets, masks,plastron for coach,breast protector

so get a 1600 Nw stuff has no connection with level..a glove is still level 1 even with a 3000 Nw clothes....
Maybe i'm wrong or maybe it is an understanding different in my country (france)but i studied the problem for a while and here is my conclusion.

[great bowyer]

Originally Posted by Tiptop

As Barry said there is a misunderstanding between these two levels because professional mix CE regulation and FIE or National rules.
The two levels as written in the european rules as

Level 1: no mortal risk so gloves, breeches are concerned ..
Level 2 : eath risk ; Jackets, masks,plastron for coach,breast protector

so get a 1600 Nw stuff has no connection with level..a glove is still level 1 even with a 3000 Nw clothes....
Maybe i'm wrong or maybe it is an understanding different in my country (france)but i studied the problem for a while and here is my conclusion.

Originally Posted by Barry Paul

but to meet the performance Cen level 2 the back of the hand has to be 350 Newton.

this gives me the impression that in order to meet ce levels, it has to pass certain standards of protection similar to the fie.

so, back to my origianl question... what are the requirments that a piece of equipment has to meet in order to be ce certified?

[Barry Paul]

In order to pass certification for level 1 or 2 the equipment has to meet certain performance criteria as out lined in the standard EN 13577 a 30 page European standard technical document. Which stands the conditiond require and how to test to comfirm these standards are reached.