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lefty_monster · 08-08-2005, 08:42 PM

What is up with the different divisions? You know, Div I, Div II and Div III? I can't find any info about it on the USFA website.

Thanks.

Lefty1 · 08-08-2005, 08:49 PM

I believe that:

Div 1 is A-C rating
Div 2 is C and under rating
Div 3 is D and under rating.

I'm still alittle fuzzy on it myself, anyone correct me if i'm wrong!

Lefty1

lefty_monster · 08-08-2005, 08:52 PM

That's helpful. Thanks.

rcmatthews · 08-08-2005, 09:26 PM

Go to usfencing.org, click on Info for members, than click on 2005-2006 NAC entry form, and it lists the requirements on the entry form.

whtouche · 08-08-2005, 10:23 PM

Also a further clarification. While div 2 and 3 are just big ratings-awarding tournaments, division 1/senior NACs award national points and are used for selection of national team members.

Lefty1 · 08-08-2005, 10:28 PM

Thanks Whtouche!

esskreemr · 08-08-2005, 11:59 PM

As another note concerning Nationals, Div III is for D and unders, but if you get your Rating at your Div qualifier, you can still fence. So, technically, you can be a C and still fence Div III. At least this is my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong.

mrbiggs · 08-09-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by esskreemr

As another note concerning Nationals, Div III is for D and unders, but if you get your Rating at your Div qualifier, you can still fence. So, technically, you can be a C and still fence Div III. At least this is my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think you can get it after your division qualifier, too, so long as you are a low enough ranking when you qualify.

SmokeyTheCat263 · 08-09-2005, 12:50 AM

Don't forget, Div II at summer nats is slightly more important, as the top 4 finishers qualify for Div I Championships the next year. Easiest qualification path to Div 1 Nats there is.

esskreemr · 08-09-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheCat263

Don't forget, Div II at summer nats is slightly more important, as the top 4 finishers qualify for Div I Championships the next year. Easiest qualification path to Div 1 Nats there is.

Assuming you make it through the other 189 competitors (men's foil).

fencergal33 · 08-09-2005, 08:43 AM

I think it's also noteworthy to mention that there is a really big difference between Div.1 and Div. 1-A.

At Summer Nationals there are both categories. Div. 1 is a crazy hard points thing that I'm not really even sure how one qualifies for. Div. 1-A is the aforementioned A and under rated people.

D+F+P=Hadouken! · 08-09-2005, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fencergal33

I think it's also noteworthy to mention that there is a really big difference between Div.1 and Div. 1-A.

At Summer Nationals there are both categories. Div. 1 is a crazy hard points thing that I'm not really even sure how one qualifies for. Div. 1-A is the aforementioned A and under rated people.

Div 1-a you qualify for at sectionals. Div 1 you qualify for in a few ways, the most notable being on the sr national points list.

annacattiva · 08-09-2005, 09:45 AM

Mm. I believe that finishing top 4 at Div II Nationals qualifies you for Div 1-A the next year, not Div I. I think finishing top 4 in Div 1-A qualifies you for Div I.

Goofy · 08-09-2005, 09:55 AM

From the USFA web site, 2004-05 Qualification Paths to National Events:

Division I

1. All fencers on the National Senior NRPS (National Rolling Point Standings) on May 1, 2005.
2. The top eight on the National Junior NRPS on May 1, 2005.
3. The top four on the National Cadet NRPS on May 1, 2005.
4. The top eight finishers in the 2004 Division I-A Individual National Championships.
5. The top four finishers in the 2004 Division II Individual National Championships.
6. The three fencers named by the US Modern Pentathlon Association (men's épée and women's épée only).

Division IA

1. Place in the top 25% (with a minimum of 8) at the 2005 Senior Section Championships
2. The top eight finishers in the 2004 Division I-A Individual National Championships.
3. The top four finishers in the 2004 Division II Individual National Championships.
4. Each current 2005 Section Under-19 Champion

Goofy · 08-09-2005, 10:04 AM

The top four finishers in the Division II National Championships qualify for both Division I and Division IA the following year.

Division I Qualifying Path, 2005 National Championships

1. All fencers on the National Senior NRPS (National Rolling Point Standings) on May 1, 2005.
2. The top eight on the National Junior NRPS on May 1, 2005.
3. The top four on the National Cadet NRPS on May 1, 2005.
4. The top eight finishers in the 2004 Division I-A Individual National Championships.
5. The top four finishers in the 2004 Division II Individual National Championships.
6. The three fencers named by the US Modern Pentathlon Association (men's épée and women's épée only).

Division IA Qualifying Path, 2005 National Championships

1. Place in the top 25% (with a minimum of 8) at the 2005 Senior Section Championships
2. The top eight finishers in the 2004 Division I-A Individual National Championships.
3. The top four finishers in the 2004 Division II Individual National Championships.
4. Each current 2005 Section Under-19 Champion

SmokeyTheCat263 · 08-09-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by esskreemr

Assuming you make it through the other 189 competitors (men's foil).

Not a problem! Not that I need to qualify anymore, but top 4 at a Div II is still aeons easier than 32s at a div I.

Schiavona · 08-09-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty_monster

What is up with the different divisions? You know, Div I, Div II and Div III? I can't find any info about it on the USFA website.

Thanks.

Hey! Here's an odd idea, go to the USFA website, click on Documents and download the USFA Ops Manual. Read it.

Orangeaholic · 08-09-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schiavona

Hey! Here's an odd idea, go to the USFA website, click on Documents and download the USFA Ops Manual. Read it.

Now, now.

lefty_monster probably just needed the info, quick.

ajhunter · 08-09-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by esskreemr

As another note concerning Nationals, Div III is for D and unders, but if you get your Rating at your Div qualifier, you can still fence. So, technically, you can be a C and still fence Div III. At least this is my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, since this post was started after summer nationals, I assume the question was in regard to the upcoming NACs. For those, you have to have the requisite classification by the registration deadline. Now perhaps there are examples out there of people sending in their registrations early, say for Div III and then earn a C before the deadline, but they got to fence because they had already registered. But, in general, the registration deadline is when you have to have the classification.