Flicking-Gender and weapon

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Ok, this is a poll to see the demographics of flickers in the point weapons. State your reasons for or for not flicking.

[mrbiggs]

In epee, do little wrist flicks count, or does it have to be over the back?

And foil is, I assume, new timings?

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

In epee, do little wrist flicks count, or does it have to be over the back?

And foil is, I assume, new timings?

yeah, wrist flicks count. New timings with foil.

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

I flick because it can be an unexpected way to reach covered target.

[dreamer90024]

I flick because as a female epeeist no one expects it so it is pretty effective. I don't use it all that much though, and I only do wrist/forearm flicks.

[AntonioDelMonte]

I am a Male Foilist and i flick to the flank and to both shoulders and they still register even with the new timings and they will land even better with the lessing of the contact time coming in the near future. I don't exclusively use the flick but because i use my wrist to flick and not my entire arm they still effective for me

[glowstix]

i land roughly 1 in 20 flicks in epee. i can't flick to save my frickin' life!! under old foil timings, i'd land 1 in 5. i sucked at flicking, plain and simple.

there's a lot more to epee fencing but having a flick would be a nice tool to have hidden away when you need a little something in a bout. obviously, thats one i don't have but i have...other stuff...

[Katman]

I don't consciously attempt it; it just happens sometime. It's an especially useful riposte in foil when you parry prime.

[Loopus]

I can't really flick in épée- I don't have the strength. Also, whenever I try it it doesn't feel natural so I just leave it out entirely. I seem to get along well enough without flicking.

I kinda like it when my opponents try flicking against me. Of course, they have to expose some part of their wrist when they draw back for the flick, and I just love trying to pick the wrist. The best flickers are still too fast for me, though.

[Man-Sum]

I am a male fencer that does not flick.
I do not flick becasue... HUGE preparations of the flicks are dangerous aganist counter-attacks.
And everyone would know that you are trying to flick when your tip points up high or weapon-arm bends across your chest.

[sabreur]

You don't have categories for sabre fencers--I think most of us use a flick-like motion for a stopcut to the top of the forearm every once in awhile. You extend and raise the hand sharply to land the touch behind the bell (then jump back).

[Boo Boo]

Am not a HUGE flicker (female foilist), but will do them if required.

Especially on the new timings: now mainly flicks to chest (lefties) and flicks with a placed point to front of shoulder (if that makes sense...).

Will have to see when/if the new-new timings come in...

Boo

[broncofencer]

I flick about once a month just to make sure I still think its stupid and I do. So I don't flick

[howtobrew]

TPIF!
You aren't normalizing the population to include equal representation of your variables, gender and weapon type.


I flick occasionally in epee to keep the opponent off balance. I don't try to beat their arm to death like some do.

[SmokeyTheCat263]

To all my fellow foilists -

As Dan Kellner explains in his post-Cuba interview:

"I see too many young fencers trying to 'out fence' or 'out smart' the machine and refuse to stop flicking. I still flick every once in a while, but maybe only 10% of what I used to. I still see fencers who flick almost the same amount as before. This just doesn't make sense."

Let's get real people. Why, at this time, does the poll show an overwhelming majority of us still flicking? Are we all as good as Dan?

Hopefully next time, Dan can offer us advice other than "Stop being retarded". To answer the poll - No, I don't flick. Thank you.

[Katman]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheCat263

To all my fellow foilists -

As Dan Kellner explains in his post-Cuba interview:

"I see too many young fencers trying to 'out fence' or 'out smart' the machine and refuse to stop flicking. I still flick every once in a while, but maybe only 10% of what I used to. I still see fencers who flick almost the same amount as before. This just doesn't make sense."

Let's get real people. Why, at this time, does the poll show an overwhelming majority of us still flicking? Are we all as good as Dan?

Hopefully next time, Dan can offer us advice other than "Stop being retarded". To answer the poll - No, I don't flick. Thank you.

Good for Dan and it's awesome, wonderful advice to stop doing something that doesn't work for you. But I think that if a flick-riposte from whatever consistantly works for you, new times or whatever, then bam, flick.

I also think the poll was "Do you flick" not "How often do you flick" or "do you still flick like crazy as you did witout the test timings."

[Be_Like_Water]

Originally Posted by dreamer90024

I flick because as a female epeeist no one expects it so it is pretty effective. I don't use it all that much though, and I only do wrist/forearm flicks.

Ditto. Female epeeists even at national level generally don't flick, so it's a nice surprise for my opponent. I flick the inside and outside forearm, the toe, and the back, and sometimes if I take prime I flick to the flank. I use them rarely and mainly to set up a second intention attack, but they are useful tools at times.

[mollusk]

I flick a little now (foil), but not nearly as much as under the old timings and not so deep to the back. In a 15 touch DE I might throw in one flick now (usually a reposte) and before the timing changes it was about 5 or more flicks with one or two to targets that I couldn't see. Flicking was part of my game before, but not a huge part. I only flick to the back now if I can get my opponent to show me his back. Under the new timings if I can see the target I have a high probablity of hitting the flick. About the same probability of registering as a direct thrust.

[telkanuru]

Originally Posted by Man-Sum

I am a male fencer that does not flick.
I do not flick becasue... HUGE preparations of the flicks are dangerous aganist counter-attacks.
And everyone would know that you are trying to flick when your tip points up high or weapon-arm bends across your chest.

Um, if your flicks make you vulnerable to counter-attacks in either foil or epee, you're not doing 'em right.

And for the record, I have a tendancy to do flicks to the outside of the foot, the wrist, and the chest and back, the latter 2 especially against lefties (I myself am right handed).

No sense in not having something be part of your game.

[ThatReallyHurt]

No flicks for me... don't know how, not overly inclined to learn.