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08-02-2005, 10:38 AM
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#1 | | Admin
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| DVD of Proposed Foil Changes
I received an email from a collegue who is producing a DVD to show the impacts of some of the proposed foil changes. As a favor, I want to post the description of the footage and get a response on if fencers / coaches would want to purchase this DVD to give him some incentive to put his time into it and make it available.
Here are the specifics:
A fencing competition was run under the format of 2 rounds of pools of 5 using one of the referees from the Athens Olympics.
The scoring box is FIE modified by the manufacturer to remove the off-target light. Block out time is set at 180ms.
He also colored the foil blades and used increased lighting in the venue to assist with visibility of the actions and blades.
Based on this, would you be interested in purchasing such a DVD for about $15.00?
Thanks,
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08-02-2005, 11:03 AM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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| I voted no, since I wouldn't, but I'm a sabre fencer. I probably would be interested if I fenced foil. | |
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08-02-2005, 01:09 PM
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| Interesting.
I would never purchase.
But anybody want to lay an over/under line for the following?
time of sale -> to first incredibly insightful string of posts by any one of various backwoods "C" rated fencing aficionados
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08-02-2005, 01:47 PM
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| I think it would be safe to assume that apart from the sabreurs and epeeists who obviously have no stake in this... that all foilists would probably order this. I'd order 2. Send me an invoice.
Yours truly,
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08-02-2005, 01:52 PM
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#5 | | Senior Member
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| It'd be worth while so I could better participate in the debat on this board. If the changes to take place then I'd have a starting place for where to adjust my fencing.
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08-02-2005, 02:00 PM
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| So you would start to adjust your fencing based on a video tape of the very first time people ever attempted to fence under those conditions?
How about chilling out for a while and waiting to see how things DEVELOP from the proposed changes changes... IF they are accepted.
You will not learn anything from a novelty exhibition.
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08-02-2005, 05:08 PM
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| I have to disagree. If they have gone thru all that trouble to produce said footage then its not some hpahazard attempt.
As for something developing theres something to br said for that. However thats the difference in mindset between a foilist and an epeeist. We foilists like to be proactive!!!!
Y'all just wait forever...  
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08-02-2005, 09:30 PM
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| I would buy one, even though I'm an epeeist. However it'll be for my club seeing as how I'm the head coach. My foil coaches will appreciate it.
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08-03-2005, 12:17 AM
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| I would be interested in one as well for the same reasons as above. Of course I would much rather see a couple of D or C rated fencers with no real personal opinion, national influence or a huge amount of preperation beforehand, but even the exhibition would be interesting I think. Is this footage of the same tests that had Sanzo,Bistledorf, etc?
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08-03-2005, 10:00 AM
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#10 | | Admin
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| It's not the Sanzo, etc. footage. When I have a chance to review the footage I'll be able to say more about it. I just have the descriptions as I've posted them right now.
Craig Quote: |
Originally Posted by CvilleFencer I would be interested in one as well for the same reasons as above. Of course I would much rather see a couple of D or C rated fencers with no real personal opinion, national influence or a huge amount of preperation beforehand, but even the exhibition would be interesting I think. Is this footage of the same tests that had Sanzo,Bistledorf, etc? | | |
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08-03-2005, 10:57 AM
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| I would. A way to see the changes rather than read and attempt to visualize. | |
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08-03-2005, 12:34 PM
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| I wouldn't. looks like initial changes will only be to timing and adding the bib. Longer term the arms may be added as a target while simualtaneously removing the off target light. We don't know if this would use a sabre lame with a fould glove or a special overlay or a totally seperate new foil lame.While your experiment sounds interesting it doesn't accurately reflect my understandings of the proposed changes to foil and as such would be a limited instructional aid.
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08-03-2005, 12:41 PM
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| Quote: |
Originally Posted by Craig
The scoring box is FIE modified by the manufacturer to remove the off-target light. Block out time is set at 180ms.
| Is King René going to try every timing in increments of one millisecond
before accepting that the solution to the flick & Row problem is not in the timings ??? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Craig
Based on this, would you be interested in purchasing such a DVD for about $15.00?
Thanks,
Craig
| No Thanks.
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08-03-2005, 01:56 PM
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| Let me get this straight... people watching things in order to learn from them!? Surely that must be the height of absurdity! Who ever learned anything from a demonstration!? 
Mostly I'm with Rudd (though I would spend $15 for the product). Roch is challenging even the most flexible viewpoints -- it's exhausting to keep up. What are we at... Yes bib, no bib. Yes arm, no arm. No off-target lights. Block-time reduced. Tip-down problem... never existed(?) depending on who you read. When foil stops being a "moving target", then it might be worthwhile to invest more energy in the weapon.
However, for the no-off-target lights alone, I think the DVD would be interesting to watch. For the cost of lunch, one could see a whole new kind of foil fencing... why not. Sounds like fun.
As others have pointed out, the fencers and not necessarily the directors would make the difference. It doesn't really matter if the fencers have an agenda or not, just whether they really want to win. If they're good, we'll probably see some useful stuff. | |
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08-03-2005, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wflaschka Let me get this straight... people watching things in order to learn from them!? Surely that must be the height of absurdity! Who ever learned anything from a demonstration!? | Ok, I'll tease the wager line down a little... how's 3.5 minutes.
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08-03-2005, 05:36 PM
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| Does anyone know what Sanzo recommended as a result of veing a part of the testing?
He was in Brooklyn for a camp. did anyone ask him?
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08-04-2005, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by fatfencer Does anyone know what Sanzo recommended as a result of veing a part of the testing?
He was in Brooklyn for a camp. did anyone ask him?
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The more testing the better. But it is evident that a half day test with a few foilists cannot replace a real period of testing in real competitions.
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08-06-2005, 11:54 PM
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| I'd buy one
i would just so i can use it as a tool to work with my students
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08-08-2005, 10:36 AM
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| The keyword is PROPOSED. I don't think I'd buy a DVD to study things that are not yet required. When the word changes to APPROVED, then I'll get out my plastic and take a look.
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09-13-2005, 02:19 PM
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| I received the DVD from the Tyshler Fencing School and it's now up in the fencing.net catalog for those that want to have a look: Foil Experiment DVD | |
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