08-02-2005, 05:51 AM
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| New Rochism
aka modern sophism ...
From the French Fencing forum : http://www.escrime-info.com/modules/...=5769&forum=17
Seen on the FIE Website in the "Minutes of the Medical
Commission on page 6 :
( http://www.fie.ch/download/letters/2...utesJune05.pdf)
"President Roch joined the meeting briefly (!) . Defoligny-Rayaume questioned him on the Commission’s concerns about transparent mask safety.
President Roch replied that transparent masks cost less than other FIE masks, that the problem of safety is not the visor but rather the use
of orthopedic grips, ... "
Who is he trying to abuse ? The clear visor masks are so safe that
fencers should use less force on them ? | 
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08-02-2005, 09:56 AM
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| We're all slowly killing ourselves with those orthopedic grips. Just you guys watch. Mr. Roche is on to something here. 
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08-02-2005, 10:08 AM
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| Emm.... may be the problem is due to the fact we are using metal weapons, perhaps we should switch to foam....  | |
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08-02-2005, 10:11 AM
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| He should see the nicks in my visor mask after three weeks of practice--and we don't have orthopedic grips in sabre
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08-02-2005, 10:11 AM
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| The second half is obscene. But really, the first part proves the credibility gap: Quote: |
President Roch replied that transparent masks cost less than other FIE masks
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I just got a Tom Bihn laptop bag, and the quote on the washing instruction tag seems relevant: "Nous sommes desoles que notre president soit un idiot. Nous n'avons pas vote pour lui."
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08-02-2005, 10:14 AM
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| However, I think that tag is so adored by so many different groups that I think its truth applies to the category of "President" rather than to any specific occupier of that office . . . 
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08-02-2005, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ChubbyHubby Emm.... may be the problem is due to the fact we are using metal weapons, perhaps we should switch to foam.... |
And of course, fencers who are too athletic / powerful should be
disqualified. | |
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08-02-2005, 11:06 AM
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| Can I flick with foam? If so then I'm all for it. | |
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08-02-2005, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan aka modern sophism ...
"President Roch joined the meeting briefly (!) . Defoligny-Rayaume questioned him on the Commission’s concerns about transparent mask safety.
President Roch replied that transparent masks cost less than other FIE masks, that the problem of safety is not the visor but rather the use
of orthopedic grips, ... " | ok i don't get it an Uhlmann FIE Foil/Epee Mask costs between $170-$225
and the Sabre Mask cast about $229 or more and yet the Lexan SAbre Mask cost about $459 and about $400 for the Foil/Epee Mask so is Roch use the new math when he says a transparent mask cost less than a regular mask
god i can't stand the friggin guy he is an idoit of the highest caliber
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08-02-2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AntonioDelMonte ok i don't get it an Uhlmann FIE Foil/Epee Mask costs between $170-$225
and the Sabre Mask cast about $229 or more and yet the Lexan SAbre Mask cost about $459 and about $400 for the Foil/Epee Mask so is Roch use the new math when he says a transparent mask cost less than a regular mask
god i can't stand the friggin guy he is an idoit of the highest caliber | You're damn right he is. Some sports have to get by with garden-variety idiots, but not everyone has the privilege of being led by one of the HIGHEST caliber. So be thankful for what you've got.
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08-02-2005, 01:32 PM
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| Whenever a president of any governing body becomes too asinine or senile to govern then perhaps its time to vist the age old weapon against such public displays of Alzheimers.... coup d'etat?
Out with Roch... in with Fatfencer!!!
I'd change the depression time to 10-12 ms.
Video would make for more impartial calls.
Keeping the white light: I think having the white light makes un educated viewers LESS confused than say a viewer seeing someone hit off target with no light and then asking why...
And I'd change one thing that has bothered me: the decided franco-centered view of the fencing universe. I'd want to see an FIE that was less centered on one country...more egalitarian.
Vive la Fat!!!!
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08-02-2005, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by fatfencer I'd change the depression time to 10-12 ms. | I'd just change it back the way it was and have better schooling for directors. Cheaper that way, and then you get better directors. | |
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08-02-2005, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fatfencer Whenever a president of any governing body becomes too asinine or senile to govern then perhaps its time to vist the age old weapon against such public displays of Alzheimers.... coup d'etat? | I thought you were going to say "assassination"... because, you know, I'd be willing to back that idea as well.
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08-02-2005, 03:11 PM
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| Is it too late to get rid of Roche and install that Russian fellow? He did offer a $6mil bribe...
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08-02-2005, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by OROD I thought you were going to say "assassination"... because, you know, I'd be willing to back that idea as well.
. | I would have but I think that all foilists now are thinking that already. I was looking for a more humane response to his savage brutality towards our weapon....but perhaps you are correct. A simple coup is more than he deserves.. Bring out the guillotine. We can all sit around in our waistcoats and knickers and call each other 'citizen' or 'citoyenne'...sipping wine whilst the heads of Roch and Co. roll into the basket of contempt.  
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08-02-2005, 06:04 PM
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| Assassination tends to enshrine the departed one and give his actions more significance. Laughter and time are far more effective in removing the powerful.
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08-02-2005, 06:34 PM
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| Plus, they don't make Peter G. snappish.  | |
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08-02-2005, 07:02 PM
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| Roch has done more for this sport than any of you put together. Its so easy to jump on the "i hate rene" bandwagon, but by keeping fencing in the Olympic games for at least 2 more he has done more than any of you ever will, and should be respected as such. | |
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08-02-2005, 07:07 PM
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| Ehhhh.....no. 
Now, if you want to change that to "has done more TO the sport".... | |
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08-02-2005, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by downunder Roch has done more for this sport than any of you put together. Its so easy to jump on the "i hate rene" bandwagon, but by keeping fencing in the Olympic games for at least 2 more he has done more than any of you ever will, and should be respected as such. | I agree up to a point - yes, he has done a lot for fencing by keeping it in the Olympics and trying to make it more popular to the masses, BUT he has majorly mucked up foil fencing, and seems hell-bent on what he thinks tv wants, rather than actually asking tv what they want and working with the companies to find a happy medium where fencing would stillbe recognisable as fencing, but more TV-friendly
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