08-02-2005, 07:39 PM
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#41 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by broncofencer But not all Fencers. football players don't all look the same nor anyother sport evn in team sports if a players face is covered they paint and decorate their mask. |
Fencing isn't a team sport. You don't need artificial ways to tell which gang of people on the field is which. | 
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08-02-2005, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Fencing isn't a team sport. You don't need artificial ways to tell which gang of people on the field is which. | So is it okay when college teams wear team colors? | |
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08-02-2005, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Epee The origin is a diminutive of Ruben... | Isn't that a sandwich or have I got COMPLETELY the wrong end of the stick...  
In the UK, most fencers who wear bandanas are seen as the more "eccentric" sort...
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08-02-2005, 07:46 PM
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#44 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by prototoast So is it okay when college teams wear team colors? | No. Artificial designations do not make an individual sport into a team one. | |
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08-02-2005, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Fencing isn't a team sport. You don't need artificial ways to tell which gang of people on the field is which. | So fencing must then be...... AN INDIVIDUAL SPORT!!!!! filled with individuals.
Otherwise get those names of the backs of the jackets, and country colors forget it. everyone must look and act just like everyone else so that way we have tens of thousands of pictures that say fencer stabs fencer. instead of the hundreds currently outthere.
No wonder noone watches this sport its not the rules its the fact that I have no idea who I am routing for was it the michilien man or the stay puffed marshmellow man, oh wait the camara angle changed now I'm lost. forget it I am going to watch hotdog eating where at least I can tell who each person is.
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08-02-2005, 08:09 PM
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#46 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by broncofencer So fencing must then be...... AN INDIVIDUAL SPORT!!!!! filled with individuals.
| Who wear uniforms. That's U-N-I-F-O-R-M-S.  | |
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08-02-2005, 08:09 PM
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| "I am a rugged individualist who plays by his own rules!"
Inq. I think you confused yourself again. unless there is some individualistic thing in being just like everyone else.
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08-02-2005, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by broncofencer Inq. I think you confused yourself again. unless there is some individualistic thing in being just like everyone else. | One of my own rules is, to conform to the dictates of tradition and taste when it comes to fencing.
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08-02-2005, 08:17 PM
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| The original pants were black
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08-02-2005, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Be_Like_Water What differentiates the amazing fencers from the scrubs is their focus: have you ever seen jan viviani or seth kelsey wearing "cool" multi-colored ridiculous attire? That's because they're paying attention to their FENCING not to their APPEARANCE. | You probably never seen Ivan from out U.S. Sabre Team. I remember the last year he was with the Junior Team. His hair was Red, White and Blue. Ivan has never been the quiet focus type, Intense maybe.
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08-02-2005, 10:41 PM
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| Well if wearing a bandana makes me a rube then im a rube. but its pretty practical for me because i have long hair. Oh well...  | |
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08-02-2005, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fencerontheline I think a braided and beaded beard is another good indicator, as is an italian or french(in foil) or a Ziv grip...
(Ben and Bran, I dislike your grips a great deal, but am still fond you of two) | Zivkovic grips...the only fencers I've seen using them are decent, at least. Most of them have been very good.
The only consistent indicator of fencing quality I've seen is that anyone with their name magic-markered on dirty, used, falling apart FIE equipment has some serious skills.
And I'm sorry, but people with French grips in foil tend to be very, very bad, although I once did see a B fencer use one effectively. But when I see a French grip in a pool bout, I'm happy. | 
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08-02-2005, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! the whole concept that something can signify someone as a scrub is just trash..... the only thing that will assure such is how they fence. | I have to disagree. To paraphrase DFP from another thread long ago: If they fence in clogs, they're a scrub. | |
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08-02-2005, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs Zivkovic grips...the only fencers I've seen using them are decent, at least. Most of them have been very good.. | Zivkovic handles!
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs The only consistent indicator of fencing quality I've seen is that anyone with their name magic-markered on dirty, used, falling apart FIE equipment has some serious skills. | I told you to quit going through my closet.
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08-02-2005, 11:41 PM
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| Bandanna's are practical. And amusing. My father wear's a tweety bird one, and it's fantabulous. I wear a pirate do-rag (when I can find it), because it's the only one that will stay on when I pull my mask off and if I don't wear it, by the end of practice my hair is in a giant painful fuzzy rat's nest around my head. Well, most of it's still contained in my three foot braid, but it still stinks.
I agree that showing personality with fencing gear is a good thing, and I don't see the problem with team colors (isn't comraderie a part of fencing too?), and Hey, I fence because it's a fun individualistic sport and I watched the Princess Bride too many times as a kid. So I'm a Rube? Excellent. Pretentious city people annoy me.
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08-03-2005, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr You probably never seen Ivan from out U.S. Sabre Team. I remember the last year he was with the Junior Team. His hair was Red, White and Blue. Ivan has never been the quiet focus type, Intense maybe. | Ivan Lee? It's the kind of thing I see in younger fencers. I'm by no means implying that if you wear funny colored socks or bandanas or anything else that you cannot fence at a high level. I'm making the generalization that most high level fencers (national, olympic teams) do not accessorize. The younger kids of course are still "individualizing" but it seems to me that when they mature they realize they fence in order to fence, not to be fashionistas. If you wear a bandana to tie hair back or multi-colored socks so that your family knows who you are in tournaments, that's something different from just being ostentatious and silly.
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08-03-2005, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Fencing isn't a team sport. | Thank you for providing a solution to the Olympic medals controversy. | |
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08-03-2005, 12:10 PM
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| Wearing dark blue or black socks might also indicate the tendency to wipe the bottoms of your shoes on your socks.
Actually, I felt really pretentious when I invested in a pair of actual fencing shoes and was afraid to wear them, like I was saying I was better than I was or something. When in reality, I just needed better arch support than I was getting from my sambas. | |
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08-03-2005, 12:58 PM
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| I don't normally wear a bandana, but I would consider it for a tournament. It would be embarassing to have my hair caught in the snaps of my mask while I'm supposed to be shaking hands at the end of the bout. I have a Taz bandana that would be perfect for such events!
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08-03-2005, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sandworm Well if wearing a bandana makes me a rube then im a rube. but its pretty practical for me because i have long hair. Oh well... | Hair nets. | |
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