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Old 07-31-2005, 03:27 PM   #1
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Fencing diet?

I'm trying to get into peak condition for fencing and I was wondering if there were any particular suggestions anyone might offer to help me out. Any advise from exercises to foods.

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I'm trying to get into peak condition for fencing and I was wondering if there were any particular suggestions anyone might offer to help me out. Any advise from exercises to foods.

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There is an excellent DVD with the conditioning drills designed for the Italian National Fencing Team, we were just watching it during our Nellya Fencers Elite Sabre Camp last week. I don't know off the top of my head where you can find one, but send me your e-mail address to info@nellyafencers.com, I will ask around as to where to get one.
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Whatever you eat, make sure it's comprised of less than 1 percent bug parts and vermin refuse.
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Whatever you eat, make sure it's comprised of less than 1 percent bug parts and vermin refuse.
But, those are the best parts of any meal.

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What .... but there so much protein in bug parts.
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Here are a couple of articles I read recently that I thought were interesting. The first "You need carbs" stresses the need of carbs in your diet to support a strong training regimen.

http://www.bicycling.com/article/0,3...ategory_id=363

The second is about grabbing some food when your only options are the quickie mart or the the vending machine.

http://www.bicycling.com/article/0,3...ategory_id=363

Neither are comprehensive diets but contain some interesting factoids and some guidelines the keep in mind. Both have served me well recently with my training regimine.

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The cycling world is such a fount of information. I drink to the watt weenies of the world. However, much of what cyclists do is for ultra-sustained periods. The average Div 1 fencer looks like a linebacker compared to your average Cat-2 cyclist (Jan Ullrich excepted) -- all that fast-twitch muscle just slows the cyclist down.

We train for explosive speed and agility, which changes the training requirements vis-a-vis cycling...do the nutritional requirements change, as well?

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Endurance althletes ( cyclists, long distance runners) have a much greater calorific and carb requirement than fencers.

I would aim for a diet with a good mix of lean protiens, complex carbs from veggies and whole grains, fruit and essetial fats. Have a look at crossfit. I like their approach to sport nutrition and conditioning.

Don't get hung up on supplements and don't change your diet significantly on a competetion day as it may cause GI upset (bad stomach). Drink lots of water and reduce or compensate for caffeine intake as it's a diuretic.
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In fencing, I find diet during the day of competition to be significantly more influential than what you eat during training.

Here are a couple of my tips/nuggets of information that I still rely on for important competitions:

1) Big breakfast.
Make it a big one, if possible. It doesn't matter what you eat, preferably something more nutritious than a danish, but you have to eat something! Breakfast is where you will be deriving most of your calories for the day.

2) No juices for rehydration. Water and sports drinks only.
Juices contain a complex carbohydrate (complex sugars) which must go through the liver before being absorbed into your system. Your system treats it more like a food than a drink. Watered-down gatorade, however, has more water than juice, and the simple sugars in it will get absorbed straight into your system.

3) Light lunch.
Nothing too heavy, nothing to greasy. Yes, that means no venue-dogs. I heard somewhere that grease slows people down. I find it true myself. Now's a good time for that fruit salad and that bottle of apple juice.

4) Caffeine can be your best friend.
I know many people probably think caffeine is a dieuretic, and should be avoided at all costs, but taken correctly, it can do wonders in competition. This technique won't work for everyone, however, especially those who can drink a cappucino at 1am and still sleep on it. You need your body to build a strong sensitivity toward caffeine, obviously by not drinking it for a long period of time.
I hardly ever drink caffeine, so naturally my body is more sensitive and the side effects hit me more. So, before that important bout in a competition that you know matters more than the rest of the day (maybe to make 32s or points?), I'll chug a can of Red Bull, Balls, or Coke, about 5 minutes before the bout. Then, whamo! During the bout i'll be focused, intense, and whatever fatigue I was feeling before will be replaced by pure energy and a new confidence in myself.

Okay, take them apart if you want, but I still use these guidelines for the ones that matter
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Chris Carmichael's 'Food for Fitness' is a great resource for athletic diets, ranging from everyday working out to elite endurance training. The book concentrates on clean-burning nutrition along with periodization training, rather than simple calorie counting.
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This might help put to rest any caffeine controversy.

From http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=694639 :

"Role of Nutritional Supplementation on Energy Expenditure, Athletic Performance, and Body Composition — Dr. Greg Haff, Dr. Joel Cramer, Dr. Joan Eckerson

This portion of the pre-conference symposia was sponsored by GNC. The main supplement covered was a new high-tech substance known as "caffeine." A GNC rep was even handing out free samples of this cutting edge drug in the form of Thermo Burst.

I was clearly about to burst with excitement.

Sitting in my front row seat and damned near bouncing up and down with anticipation and unfettered glee, here's what I learned about this futuristic "caffeine" stuff:

- Caffeine is the most commonly used drug in world and it occurs naturally in over 60 plants. The average American gets 200mg per day. Six ounces of coffee contains about 100mg.

- The orgasmically exciting and revolutionary supplement Thermo Burst contains 201mg of caffeine and a bunch of miscellaneous herbs that seem to have nothing much at all to do with fat burning.

- Decaffeinated coffee still has a couple of milligrams of caffeine, but not much.

- Caffeine increases urine production, stimulates the nervous system, relaxes smooth muscle, activates cardiac muscle, and increases gastric secretions. Serum concentration in the blood reaches its peak 30-60 minutes after ingestion and its half-life is 4-6 hours.

- Caffeine usage is banned by some sports organizations, yet one study (Graham, 2001) showed that urinary concentrations are variable and inaccurate for determining caffeine intake. Just an FYI, 13mg/kg caused 66% of athletes to fail a drug test. Other studies using 5mg/kg and 9mg/kg didn't cause a failed test.

- During moderate to high intensity exercise, caffeine has been shown to improve muscle contractility, work output, time to exhaustion, and performance. Not all studies show these positive benefits but most do. There are some people who are non-responders to caffeine, so that may be why some small studies show little benefit.

- 330mg of caffeine helps cyclists get a 19% increase in time-to-exhaustion trials.

- Interestingly, a study on distance runners showed that those receiving large doses of caffeine (9mg per kg of body weight) didn't show improvement. Those taking smaller doses did.

- 150mg of caffeine has been shown to improve long term memory and other cognitive functions.

- Caffeine is good for most endurance athletes, but how about anaerobic athletes? It gets fuzzy here. Most studies presented showed benefits, but a few didn't. However, to analyze the effects on short term, high intensity exercise, mainly studies on cyclists are used, so we weight trainers usually have to extrapolate from that.

- Caffeine increased maximal power output and decreased perceived exertion in hard cycling bouts. This may be due to what's called the "elation effect."

- One study showed 201mg of caffeine increased bench press 1RM, but not leg extension strength. (Yeah, like we care about our 1RM leg extension anyway!) The studies conducted so far on caffeine's effects on strength are inconclusive. One problem may be that hand grip tests are usually used in the studies.

- In sprint swims, untrained swimmers showed no increase in performance using 250mg caffeine. However, trained swimmers showed an increase in swim velocity. One theory is that caffeine works better for experienced athletes and exercisers. They're simply more responsive to it than couch spuds.

- Caffeine has a greater effect on metabolism (caffeine induced thermogenesis) in lean women compared to fat women.

- There have been studies to see if caffeine has a positive effect on weight loss, but the problem is the supplements studied also contained other ingredients, making the results questionable. However, it does look like caffeine has some effect on resting energy expenditure.

- At least one study showed that caffeine-containing green tea worked better than caffeine alone for increase energy expenditure.

- Smokers are less responsive to caffeine than nonsmokers. Especially when they're dead.

- Capsaicin, the chemical that makes red peppers hot, has similar effects as caffeine. It may lead to enhanced energy expenditure and performance.

- The ergogenic benefits of caffeine are more pronounced when using caffeine capsules than coffee. Other compounds in coffee may moderate the effects of caffeine.

- Adverse effects of caffeine (over 500mg) can cause mood shifts, headaches, and fatigue as part of withdrawal. However, this amount has been shown to keep reporters awake during GNC-sponsored supplement presentations.

- Fears of dehydration associated with caffeine use are unjustified. Caffeine doesn't cause dehydration.

- Caffeine suppositories have been used by athletes. Sorry, no photos available.

- One of the presenters told an interesting story about how one of his lab mates was accidentally given ten times the toxicity level of caffeine and had to have his stomach pumped. Amateurs. It ain't a party until someone gets his stomach pumped!

- Some studies show that caffeine taken before exercise doesn’t burn more fat based on certain chemical markers; however, people do report this effect in the real world. What's going on? Well, it may be that exercisers simply perform more work in the gym when using caffeine.

- Caffeine can decrease pain induced by exercise. It also decreases our force sensation. So, we can train harder without feeling like we're training harder. Caffeine seems to affect how we receive and perceive pain."

So there you have it folks; before important bouts, weight training, and most definitely any cardio work, slam a Red Bull spiked with Dave's Insanity Sauce.

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On Caffeine

http://www.bicycling.com/article/0,3...ategory_id=363

I happened to read this last week, it mostly backs up the comments by Darius. With some omissions and deletions and omits the humorous commentary.

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On the day I am competing I generally fast. Just water until all the bouting is done.

Any food, even a light meal, tends to make me feel weighed down.

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Feltan,

I'm no expert but in my view, your body would become
hypo-glycemic after that many hours of competing without calories.

Maybe instead of just water you might go with a sports drink
to replenish your caloric intake and provide salt and other minerals expelled
during perspiration.

Since you're still just drinking liquid you shoudn't lose your "light"
feeling and you may also feel more.... stable and fortified as the day wears on. I feel "light headed" when I don't eat (or drink calories) for many hours.

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On the day I am competing I generally fast. Just water until all the bouting is done.

Any food, even a light meal, tends to make me feel weighed down.
Like TwinkleToes, that worries me too...

I don't eat a lot during competition: I have a big breakfast, then survive on sports drinks, cereal/seed bars, jaffa cakes, jellybabies and water until I finish competing (normally finish between 9 and 12 hours from breakfast). I find that keeps me going (don't get low) without weighing me down (the breakfast is on the way to being digested by the time I start).

The rest of the time, I eat a balanced diet (lots of fish, some red meat, lots of vegetables, fruit and a mixture of grains and starch/carbs). A good balanced diet is important to everyone (unhealthy things being occasional treats and not everyday food).

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My only tip...

Avoid any product that has High Fructose Corn Syrup!

and for you folks in the USA...

Good luck!
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Something that works for me after a competition from the point of view of preventing muscle soreness is a protein bar, scoffed no more than half an hour after my last bout.

During a competition, I eat nuts and dried fruit, since the competitions I attend are so badly organised that no-one knows when the next match is and I can't afford to get weighed down.
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