07-24-2005, 05:08 PM
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#21 | | Immortal
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Originally Posted by R. Exnicios How do we impeach Rene?
I know we cannot but it's a nice dream!
R | You make your feelings know to your national representative and your national federation.
Someone posted some names and contact information in another thread....
MR
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07-24-2005, 09:54 PM
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#22 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by Peach Nah--It's sabre--unless you're really off target something gets hit. | Technically, that would be a remise, though. Just like hitting off target on the leg or hand before finally hitting lame...
One day I'm going to find myself facing someone with one of the visor masks. When we go to test, I'm going to tap the window, and get no light. Then I'm going to do it again. The fault is apparent, it can be replicated. What does the ref do at this point? The mask may be "legal", but AFAIK the issue of equipment failing to register on the box has not been addressed...and I may be wrong but I don't think the specific rules on target area for sabre have been edited to remove a rectangle of it from the mask.
I am willing to take a card for unjustified appeal if it comes to that. What fun! | |
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07-24-2005, 10:01 PM
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#23 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Inquartata One day I'm going to find myself facing someone with one of the visor masks. When we go to test, I'm going to tap the window, and get no light. Then I'm going to do it again. The fault is apparent, it can be replicated. What does the ref do at this point? The mask may be "legal", but AFAIK the issue of equipment failing to register on the box has not been addressed...and I may be wrong but I don't think the specific rules on target area for sabre have been edited to remove a rectangle of it from the mask.
I am willing to take a card for unjustified appeal if it comes to that. What fun! | I like it! 
Sounds just like the idea I had a ways back for fencing foil against a person wearing a manplate:
"Sir, may I test?"
Then hit the manplate with a nice quick thrust that bounces off and gives no light.
"Sir, I believe i hit the valid target, and no touch registers on the machine. I suspect the machine is faulty!"
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07-24-2005, 10:58 PM
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#24 | | Scavenger
Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Technically, that would be a remise, though. Just like hitting off target on the leg or hand before finally hitting lame... | Oh, lordy, I can't count the number of times I've gotten a slash mark on the leg as the result of a valid "attack." Quote: |
Originally Posted by Inquartata One day I'm going to find myself facing someone with one of the visor masks. When we go to test, I'm going to tap the window, and get no light. Then I'm going to do it again. The fault is apparent, it can be replicated. What does the ref do at this point? The mask may be "legal", but AFAIK the issue of equipment failing to register on the box has not been addressed...and I may be wrong but I don't think the specific rules on target area for sabre have been edited to remove a rectangle of it from the mask.
I am willing to take a card for unjustified appeal if it comes to that. What fun! | Fun for you maybe. Since those of us wearing the transparent visor masks have generally been required to buy the horrid expensive things in order to compete in something, I think that would count as adding insult to injury . . . I can't hear in it, I can't breathe in it, it cost way too much, it breaks easily, it scratches, it fogs up, I'm required to have it, and now my opponent insists on trying to prove Rene Roch wrong using me as a guinea pig . . . 
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07-24-2005, 11:03 PM
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#25 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| OK, I'll give you a pass, Peach. 
But there ARE people who actually like the things. And I know who some of 'em are...  Mwahahahaha... | |
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07-24-2005, 11:19 PM
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#26 | | Scavenger
Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Pennsylvania
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| Good lord--there are people who LIKE them? It takes all kinds.
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07-24-2005, 11:33 PM
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#27 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Peach I've used my transparent visor sabre mask for four (admittedly long) days of fencing and it's already thoroughly scratched, with a good-sized nick taken out of the center. | and you fence sabre!! in epee, i'd imagine there'd be 10 times as many scratches. i know of one fencer personally that has one of those visor foil/epee masks and he regrets buying it. his has so many scratches that its becoming annoying.. 
personally, i don't want anyone to see my eyes behind the mask and i don't want to see theirs either. there's no way those things are safe enough for epee. my prieur FIE got dented the first time i got a mask hit going for a toe touch. imagine the visor!! scary. also, how would one go about replacing them anyway?? and how would you know everyone knows how to do it?? clearly, roach hasn't given any thought to any of his plans.. | |
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07-25-2005, 12:28 AM
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#28 | | Senior Member
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| those plexiglass things .. cant u replace them after they get all scratched up. are they expensive to replace? | |
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07-25-2005, 02:17 AM
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#29 | | Senior Member
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| i think the prospects of the masks being used in epee is very scary. as an epee fencer, i utilize the mask's target area. whenever i find myself in a stituation that i am unsure of what to do, i always start by extending my arm. often times this will eventually hit the mask. with several hit to the plate, i can see the possibility of the plate failing over time. i have also seen several normal fie masks that have had some major dents. i can also see the problem of hit not registering to the plate. personally, i am scared of what will become of this visor mask situation.
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07-25-2005, 02:19 AM
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#30 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by ra2000a those plexiglass things .. cant u replace them after they get all scratched up. are they expensive to replace? | i think the masks have two layers, an outer "scratch layer" that is replaceable for about $20 (iirc) and the lexan layer that is required to be repalced every two years for about $50 (iirc)
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07-25-2005, 05:35 AM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Gav Alan
Although we may agree on the subject of clear plastic masks. This statement is complete rubbish. Plenty of Epeeists ues ortho grips - even at the vaunted top 150 level. Check it out for yourself. | Ok ok. They are pobably more than i tought.
In France many top epeists do not use pistol grips.
Anyway, it means that if we look at the conclusions of the commission
more people are taking risks.
I think that even if these stupid clear visor masks are authorized any fencer
should have the *basic freedom* of not using them.
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Just forget these broken foil test timings !
Use clear visor masks for fishing,
and video to film your mother-in-law.
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