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edew · 07-24-2002, 09:23 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by oiuyt:
Why doesn't MP use a steeplechase for the run? They run 3K which is the standard distance for steeplechase and going over fences/waterpits/etc would seem to fit the design of the event better.

-B

<hr /></blockquote>It makes it harder to prepare the field for such events. When the MP used to be 5 days (one day for each event), the run was 5K, and cross-country style (over hills and down valleys). It's also too dangerous to add all that to the race.

Philistine · 07-24-2002, 01:00 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by edew:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by oiuyt:
Why doesn't MP use a steeplechase for the run? They run 3K which is the standard distance for steeplechase and going over fences/waterpits/etc would seem to fit the design of the event better.

-B

<hr /></blockquote>It makes it harder to prepare the field for such events. When the MP used to be 5 days (one day for each event), the run was 5K, and cross-country style (over hills and down valleys). It's also too dangerous to add all that to the race.<hr /></blockquote>Now that it's all in one day, do they use a track instead of a x-country course?

--Philistine

edew · 07-24-2002, 01:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Philistine:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by edew:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by oiuyt:
Why doesn't MP use a steeplechase for the run? They run 3K which is the standard distance for steeplechase and going over fences/waterpits/etc would seem to fit the design of the event better.

-B

<hr /></blockquote>It makes it harder to prepare the field for such events. When the MP used to be 5 days (one day for each event), the run was 5K, and cross-country style (over hills and down valleys). It's also too dangerous to add all that to the race.<hr /></blockquote>Now that it's all in one day, do they use a track instead of a x-country course?

--Philistine<hr /></blockquote>They now run laps.

veeco · 07-24-2002, 02:02 PM

What used to be really dangerous is that they used to have a cross country ride. The only thing that counted then was the time it took to finish the course.

With unfamiliar horses, I think that there must have been one broken arm at each comp...

oiuyt · 07-24-2002, 02:41 PM

The steeplechase is also done as laps on a track. Granted it takes more prep time for the track, but how does this pose a major problem? Is there really a noticibly higher risk of injury in SC? This just isn't a dangerous sport. As with most sports there's obviously some risk of injury. I wouldn't put SC near the top of the list in that regard however. It's not like any of the other events require the track so 1 day or 5 doesn't affect the prep time requirement.

-B

Link14 · 07-24-2002, 03:10 PM

Oiuyt, Steeplechase may not be dangerous for guys and gays with long legs like you, but for us short runts, every hurdle could be our last! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

edew · 07-24-2002, 03:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by oiuyt:
The steeplechase is also done as laps on a track. Granted it takes more prep time for the track, but how does this pose a major problem? Is there really a noticibly higher risk of injury in SC? This just isn't a dangerous sport. As with most sports there's obviously some risk of injury. I wouldn't put SC near the top of the list in that regard however. It's not like any of the other events require the track so 1 day or 5 doesn't affect the prep time requirement.

-B

<hr /></blockquote>I don't think Stanford or most other venue would like to dig holes to put in the water ditches, as well as put in those heavy cross-beamed hurdles. Re-sodding the grass after such a overhaul isn't cheap, and the UIPM folks will have to foot the bill (each and every time at every venue, about 6 a year for the different world cups).

edew · 07-24-2002, 04:29 PM

[oops reposted, instead of edited. Nevermind...]

[ 07-24-2002, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: edew ]

Inquartata · 07-24-2002, 07:00 PM

Why did they change it from a 5- to a 1-day event?

edew · 07-24-2002, 07:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Inquartata:
Why did they change it from a 5- to a 1-day event?<hr /></blockquote>Make it more exciting and to stay in the good graces of the IOC. The IOC was thinking of dropping the sport because of its lack of spectator appeal. Making it a one-day event would be more television friendly. And it costs less if it's one day.

Of course, with men's event, women's event, and team events in men's and women's, it's really four days. But that's fewer than five days and allows for more events (medals).

135711 · 07-24-2002, 08:16 PM

thanks for sharing, when i first clicked on, i thought it was bowling, let me go back and look again.

i just looked again, that's a good photo. i guess i don't understand why it's not considered to be good televised - wise. see above paragraph, they show bowling, it should be at least more interesting than bowling.

[ 07-24-2002, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: 135711 ]

epeemike81 · 07-25-2002, 04:47 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Inquartata:
Mmm, yes, but was a touch to the off arm, the shin, the cheek, or whatnot ever so crippling that it'd be fair to count it as a "double kill"? Duels often involved multiple wounds to both parties, but in epee one touch is an automatic finis? Not much more realistic than modern five- or fifteen-touch epee as far as I can tell...<hr /></blockquote>whether or not it is more realistic depends on the criteria for judging.... since the point of epee duels was NOT to kill your opponent, but rather to draw first blood, I would say that it is fairly realistic.

-m

Inquartata · 07-25-2002, 07:14 PM

However, that would NOT be the object of a messenger trying to fight his way through a hostile countryside. "There, I drew first blood! Now don't you try to kill me as I turn around and get back on my horse!"

I'm not sure that it was the invariable aim of every duellist merely to draw blood, either. Even Nadi's famous duel went well past that point. And those of the early 19th and late 17th centuries were as often fatal or debilitating as not, if the literature is to be credited...

135711 · 07-27-2002, 05:30 PM

i only changed from warmups to fencing pants once, but not one person observed.

i think it's good to take the golden mean with respect to the fleche.

and with respect to the shooting thing, i'm sorry if it sounded bad, but i really have an interest in this, it's a sport that i think i could do well, and i was really looking for links. On the other hand, i've think i may go back to my prior stance of being totally anti-gun, i did better.