07-18-2005, 11:27 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Saberist? Sabrist? Which is Right?
OK, we need some help: Which is correct?
saberist
sabrist
sabreist
sabeurist
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07-18-2005, 11:28 PM
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| Use 'sabreur/sabreuse' to avoid the problem entirely. | |
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07-18-2005, 11:44 PM
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| sabreur
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07-18-2005, 11:54 PM
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| I learned "sabreur", or "sabreuse" for a woman (though I haven't actually heard that used much). Of the choices you actually proposed, I'd go with "sabrist".
The way I heard it, there are foilists, epeeists, and crazy sabre fencers.
Mark Ray may just possibly have an opinion on this subject. | 
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07-19-2005, 12:05 AM
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| I say "saberist" for guys and "fatty" for the women....
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07-19-2005, 12:17 AM
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#6 | | Boom!
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Originally Posted by fencerontheline I say "saberist" for guys and "fatty" for the women.... | Hence the bruises...
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07-19-2005, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Timacheff OK, we need some help: Which is correct?
saberist
sabrist
sabreist
sabeurist
Thanks ... |
real french terms are sabreur and sabreuse.
the americans have bastardized the french "sabre" into "saber".... and then they created "saberist" and "sabrist"
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but i believe it's oiuyt who consistantly makes the point that you avoid it all if you just use "sabre fencer" or, if you you prefer, "saber fencer"....
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07-19-2005, 01:44 AM
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| In my old club, we were referred as the SabrePukes. Then we would growl and bash our heads against each other. | |
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07-19-2005, 01:58 AM
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| Sabrist? I'm sorry...
I'm still hoping to make some super long sleeved t-shirts with appropriate knuckles to drag. | |
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07-19-2005, 08:14 AM
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| Sabreur, nothing else...
Saberist/Sabrist really grate on my ears...
Don't like "sabreuse" either - why do you need a feminine of sabreur? Is there one for foilist or epeeist???
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07-19-2005, 08:19 AM
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| I generally use "sabre fencers."
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07-19-2005, 09:04 AM
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| It's Sabreur plain and simple. Like Boo all the rest just grate on my nerves. And why do you need a gender specific one? | |
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07-19-2005, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Boo Boo Don't like "sabreuse" either - why do you need a feminine of sabreur? | Can you get a feminine sabreur?  | |
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07-19-2005, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Peach I generally use "sabre fencers." | And how exactly do you use them, dear? | |
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07-19-2005, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiwaz Can you get a feminine sabreur? | Ouch, that might be living dangerously...
... fortunately I am a foilist 
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07-19-2005, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Boo Boo Don't like "sabreuse" either - why do you need a feminine of sabreur? Is there one for foilist or epeeist??? | No, but that's because the words foilist and épéeist are english, and sabreur/sabreuse are french.
On a similar note, what's the masculine word for seamstress? Seamer? 
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07-19-2005, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen On a similar note, what's the masculine word for seamstress? Seamer? | Tailor.
I either say "sabreur" or "sabre fencers."
MR
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07-19-2005, 10:18 AM
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#18 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
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Originally Posted by sabreur Tailor. | Ah, but that's a completely different word. Then the feminine form of tailor is tailoress..?  Quote: |
I either say "sabreur" or "sabre fencers."
| So do I. (If in english.)
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07-19-2005, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen No, but that's because the words foilist and épéeist are english, and sabreur/sabreuse are french.
On a similar note, what's the masculine word for seamstress? Seamer? | Seamster.
Back on track: Because she can be sneaky from time to time, my wife logs in on one board as sabreteur. | |
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07-19-2005, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Gav It's Sabreur plain and simple. Like Boo all the rest just grate on my nerves. And why do you need a gender specific one? | Because gender is an aspect of language.
I don't address a woman exactly as I would a man; I don't address my seniors exactly as I would my juniors or peers. I don't think of the feminine as worse and I can't think why anyone of sense would do so. It's just useful information that's built into the word; a characteristic of indo-european languages and one of the ornaments of life in an increasingly basic and obvious world. | |
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