07-17-2005, 01:33 AM
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| Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince: SPOILERS!
Anyone else read it yet?
Were you surprised?
Upset?
Vent here....
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07-17-2005, 04:19 AM
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| Unsatified....lost, etc etc. Not partiuclarly HAPPY at this point in time.
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07-17-2005, 08:29 AM
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| Finsihed it last night. That death was unexpected,I thought it would be the killer that died. Otherwise, I thought it set up the next book quite well as they are two parts of the same book really.
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07-17-2005, 11:53 AM
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| Real question is, was the killer acting out of compulsion or truely on the side of the bad guys? My wife and I are disagreeing on this point. She says he was compelled, because of the vow, etc, and that the end result was a double cross gone bad. I say that the author had given us enough clues and foreshaddowing to draw the conclusion that he's gone back over to the bad guys.
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07-17-2005, 12:15 PM
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| If anybody spoils this for me, there will be hell to pay. I haven't read it yet, but I'm drawn to spoliers like a moth to a flame. Be kind to the rest of us... don't divulge any details! Please!
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07-17-2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by oso97 I say that the author had given us enough clues and foreshaddowing to draw the conclusion that he's gone back over to the bad guys. | I think you've got it. How could he have taken the vow, knowing that he'd most likely have to do it himself, if he was still working for the Order? Evil git.... 
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07-17-2005, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by swordwench If anybody spoils this for me, there will be hell to pay. I haven't read it yet, but I'm drawn to spoliers like a moth to a flame. Be kind to the rest of us... don't divulge any details! Please! | Well, then hurry up and read it - the rest of us are sitting here in agony, needing to talk about it!
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07-17-2005, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Elendae I think you've got it. How could he have taken the vow, knowing that he'd most likely have to do it himself, if he was still working for the Order? Evil git.... | Oh, I think its more than that. Just look at the discussion between certain central characters about what happens when one of them is wrong - it doesn't happen often, but when it does, he's really REALLY wrong.
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07-17-2005, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by oso97 Oh, I think its more than that. Just look at the discussion between certain central characters about what happens when one of them is wrong - it doesn't happen often, but when it does, he's really REALLY wrong. | How very true.. makes you wonder if he was wrong about anything else.
Spoiler below: I wonder if he was ever truely loyal. Perhaps he was, the became resenrful of being "in debt" to Dumbledore... and of not getting the DADA job. Also, I don't think the vow could have compelled him. JO likes characters to choose their fates, its all through the books...
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07-17-2005, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by oso97 Well, then hurry up and read it - the rest of us are sitting here in agony, needing to talk about it! | Maybe an edit to the first post (in large text) mentioning that spoilers are below?
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07-17-2005, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Elendae I think you've got it. How could he have taken the vow, knowing that he'd most likely have to do it himself, if he was still working for the Order? Evil git.... | Let me guess, we are talking about Snape here? I mean, his name is almost "snake" which is not exactly a sign of the good guys in the series.....
And I haven't gotten my copy yet, so I am guessing.
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07-17-2005, 11:52 PM
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| I finished it 10 minutes ago... it was a great read, although I'm quite disappointed that Dumbledore died.
The part that struck me the most was when Dumbledore explained to Harry that Voldemort, by taking the prophecy seriously, turned Harry into his most dangerous enemy. I thought that was rather insightful.
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07-18-2005, 12:29 AM
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| Cornsweetie... the rest of us were at least TRYING to write obliquely!!!!!
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07-18-2005, 01:55 AM
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| Heheh! 
It DID say "SPOILERS" in the title! 
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07-18-2005, 02:01 AM
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| You're just evil.
But I like it.
Wanna fence sabre?
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07-18-2005, 02:05 AM
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| Yes, I am evil. I like it also.
Not being a sabreur... no thanks. 
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07-18-2005, 02:11 AM
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| So what's your position on Snape - truely evil or just caught up?
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07-18-2005, 02:19 AM
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| He's got to be truly evil if he just went ahead and killed Dumbledore. If he wasn't, he'd be a little more like Draco, who was obviously struggling with the decision. Draco's not evil, he's just an annoying teenage prat. He's not old enough to really comprehend the magnitude of Lord Voldemort's evil.
Edit: OK yeah, he IS old enough, and he knows he wouldn't be able to gain the amount of respect that he wants to achieve in the Wizarding community... so he thinks he'll have more success among Lord Voldemort's followers.
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07-18-2005, 02:30 AM
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| Harry Potter == Teh suck
But seriously, I dont see thats special about the books. The plot and writing arent great.... it seems like its just a fad, but it wont go away, and only serves to damage the sales of authors that actually produce quality work. I'm probably biased because I went to BN with a friend so he could pickup the book, whereas I tried to buy a non-potter book and was scolded for 'disrupting the flow of sales'. Now, maybe its just me, but if a book becomes such a fad that I'm considered disrupting the sales process by purchasing a book, something is wrong with people.
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07-18-2005, 03:02 AM
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| How long did it take for you to load that page? It won't work for me. 
Anyway, Potter's popular 'cause it's wonderfully fantastical. ANY kid would love to go to a school for magic... Harry's a wizard, he's a hero, he has interesting friends, he has adventures and a pile of gold in the bank. What also makes it even more appealing is that under the guise of a children's book, it deals with things that are a little older and more mature than what most parents usually allow their children to face.
EDIT: Just saw the video. M'eh.
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