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CMA · 07-13-2005, 09:44 AM

i need to get the armenian patch on my knickers because i will be fencing for them in the youth world cups, and i need to know where i can get this patch on my knickers thanks.

i live in the us so yea

Zilverzmurfen · 07-13-2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CMA

i need to get the armenian patch on my knickers because i will be fencing for them in the youth world cups, and i need to know where i can get this patch on my knickers thanks.

i live in the us so yea

One thing you could try doing is to contact the Armenian Fencing Federation.

If the can't give you the patch themselves then hopefully they will be able to help you out with someone who can?

Federation d'Escrime d'Armenie
Str. Abovyan 9
375001 EREVAN
Phone: +374 1 52 98 74
Fax: +374 1 545789
E-mail: armnoc@arminco.com

If that doesn't work out you could try to simply make the patch yourself. The Armenian flag (national patch) is a really simple design with a red, blue and an orange stripe.

Additionally you could try going to a well sorted book/map/flag shop. I know that you can buy miniature flags from them, they may have something in the appropriate size.

Hope it works out for you, and best of luck for the competition!

CvilleFencer · 07-13-2005, 11:00 AM

If you are in the US and you have time to wait for the next big NAC the place to go would be to the Marx booth at any large event. They do pretty much all the names/patchs for most US fencers. If you check with them you might be able to mail the pants to them and then they could stencil them and send them back. Also Pro Print Wear (the USFA's Official T-shirt and merchandise vendor) got a spiffy new embroderie machine that they were doing the US national colors with at Summer Nationals. If you contact them they would probably be able to help you out as well. Links for both are below.

IMHO the best option, and the easiest, is to go to some place that does embrodery, like T-shirt and hat shops in the mall. Some places also do Fabric Airbrushing that can look really nice, but does not last as long. Best of all most of them can do pretty much any design you can think of. Best of luck and congrats on getting to represent your country in the tourneys.

www.proprintwear.com and the customer service link is: customercare@proprintwear.com

I think the e-mail for Marx Enterprises is: suzmarx1@comcast.net

prototoast · 07-13-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer

If you are in the US and you have time to wait for the next big NAC the place to go would be to the Marx booth at any large event. They do pretty much all the names/patchs for most US fencers. If you check with them you might be able to mail the pants to them and then they could stencil them and send them back. Also Pro Print Wear (the USFA's Official T-shirt and merchandise vendor) got a spiffy new embroderie machine that they were doing the US national colors with at Summer Nationals. If you contact them they would probably be able to help you out as well. Links for both are below.

IMHO the best option, and the easiest, is to go to some place that does embrodery, like T-shirt and hat shops in the mall. Some places also do Fabric Airbrushing that can look really nice, but does not last as long. Best of all most of them can do pretty much any design you can think of. Best of luck and congrats on getting to represent your country in the tourneys.

www.proprintwear.com and the customer service link is: customercare@proprintwear.com

I think the e-mail for Marx Enterprises is: suzmarx1@comcast.net

I just seem to doubt all those American companies would have the Armenian national colors.

Also, as I understand it, national colors aren't required for junior world cups (just senior and junior world championships) so it might not even be necessary.

oiuyt · 07-13-2005, 12:37 PM

Actually I wouldn't be at all surprised if ProPrintWear DID have the Armenian national colors... I'd imagine that they have a large selection of thread from the embroidery machine, and can program it with pretty much any image that they can get electronically.

Marx Enterprises, on the other hand, likely only does blue and red (and white by default).

-B :)

prototoast · 07-13-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

Actually I wouldn't be at all surprised if ProPrintWear DID have the Armenian national colors... I'd imagine that they have a large selection of thread from the embroidery machine, and can program it with pretty much any image that they can get electronically.

Marx Enterprises, on the other hand, likely only does blue and red (and white by default).

-B

Good to know if I ever change nationalities and get good enough to fence internationally.

CMA · 07-13-2005, 04:22 PM

thank you if if it is not required it still would look bad a..

thank you i emailed propoint wear with my request.

yeoldearmourer · 07-14-2005, 09:28 AM

Embrioy Patches aren't alllow FIE events only the USfa alllow them and the Marx Bros can do any National colors. But for FIE they must be painted on. FIE reason is that emb can catch apoint. We have on named emb on our uniforms for years. I check the rules on emb because I do it myself and proprint new machine will be down a couple of week for a new o=power supply

DHCJr · 07-14-2005, 10:22 AM

This is not quite true. Look at the Belarus logo in the FIE web page and the instructions. It is a ribbon that is sewn on.

Zilverzmurfen · 07-14-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

This is not quite true. Look at the Belarus logo in the FIE web page and the instructions. It is a ribbon that is sewn on.

So is the GBR 'Go Faster' stripes and many other designs I've seen.

Additionally our swedish logo can be either printed or sewn on. (Mine's sewn on, no problem.)

yeoldearmourer · 07-14-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

This is not quite true. Look at the Belarus logo in the FIE web page and the instructions. It is a ribbon that is sewn on.

Ted told me wrong then

downunder · 07-15-2005, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by yeoldearmourer

Ted told me wrong then

so long as it is sewn on properly, and there is no way a point can catch, then it is fine.

I bought some LP breeches when i was living in the uk, and since i needed to do world cups and junior world champs (and barry wouldn't face the design, hehe), i got a supplier in australia to spray the design on a large bit of cloth and mail it over. The local tailor sewed it on for about 2 pounds or so.

Frank Pratt · 07-15-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

This is not quite true. Look at the Belarus logo in the FIE web page and the instructions. It is a ribbon that is sewn on.

This makes since; the rules have always allowed the letters that from fencer's name to be "firmly sewn" on between the shoulders and/or on the knickers. If this is okay for the name, it should be okay for the country logo too.

Doing this with non-conductiove material would be illegal on foil/sabre lames, unless, of course, you used blue lame material (that actually might not look all that bad!)

DHCJr · 07-15-2005, 03:32 PM

Remember the "firmly sewn" is a USFA rule, not a FIE. The FIE has never addressed this. It could be possible to argue that you could use an iron on patch for holes.

What has been done, when I was a US Team Armorer was the name and USA put on lame material because the fencer forgot the lame back at the hotel and would need it by 8:00 AM the next day. One of the parents sewed this lame material on the lame. Also SOP is to carry a couple of US colors on a swatch to sew on in case a fencer has to buy new pants and they can't do the logo.

I do agree with Tim, not to go the embrodry path. I don't think it would last with the abuse and the washing.

DangerMouse · 07-15-2005, 03:38 PM

At the Vancouver WC last weekend, they allowed canadians to duct tape the required patches to their uniforms.

oso97 · 07-15-2005, 06:47 PM

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I do agree with Tim, not to go the embrodry path. I don't think it would last with the abuse and the washing.

Depends on the quality of the embroidery. I've got some embroidered stuff that has lasted quite a bit of abuse.

Peach · 07-15-2005, 07:11 PM

I would think the embroidery (at least Phil Daly's embroidery, done by the machine with hundreds and thousands of stitches) would last very well, compared to the stenciled USA logo which really doesn't last long at all. After a few washings the stencil fades to a faint stain. I tried touching it up with fabric pens and that faded almost immediately, too.

Montoya · 07-15-2005, 07:40 PM

Long before Proprint got into the business, my jacket and my knickers have been embroidered. My first FIE jacket is five years old and has withstood countless washings. The stitches have snagged a bit recently, but since this is now my practice jacket, that's okay. In contrast, stencilling from just a season ago is pretty faded.

If you look in the yellow pages, under Embroidery, you can find businesses that do T-shirts, sweat shirts, etc. They can usually scan in your design and program the sewing machine to do it. Lettering for a jacket usually costs me about $25. Don't know what a custom country design would cost.

yeoldearmourer · 07-15-2005, 09:56 PM

Since I do machine embrory and i use hihg quality therad We have names lasted 10 years. Emb does last longer then stencial. On the the Ave each letter ave about 10,000 stiches. I prefer it. But right from my understanding then is a problem between the Marx Ent and otherfor the internatioal design since its is a copywrited design held by the Marx

Peach · 07-15-2005, 10:16 PM

I was talking to Phil about the copyright issue. He seems to think it can be worked out.