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JEC · 08-20-2002, 05:26 PM

I just read Kolobkov's reaction to the final of WF.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Mundiais2002 - "Combat between friends" justifies false end of florete Lisbon, 20 Ago (Lusa) - the world-wide champion of masculine sword, the Russian Pavel Kolobkov, justified to the Lusa Agency the "feminine final cold" of florete of its compatriots Svetlana Bojko and Ekaterina Youcheva with the fact of if dealing with "a combat between friends". "In the day where the stars had shone for the Russians", according to Kolobkov, Bojko won Youcheva for 4-3, already after the prescribed time. The two Russians had played under protests and assobios of the public, who waited to attend "true" an end, as it was the case of the assault between Kolobkov and the Frenchman Fabrice Jeannet (15-13). "the public exactly does not like ends between opponents it country, because the athletes do not want to risk. E they know themselves very well and are friends ", justified. "They had been two gold medals for Russia, and not one", also concluded the champion olímpico, in a last commentary to its compatriots. Close to completing 33 years, Kolobkov confessed to the Lusa not to want to become "in one dinossauro, nor to die in track", but the desire excepted to continue in brandishhes, even because it wants to use to advantage the experience of the age. "With the age we are not so fast, nor so strong, but we try to become us firmer. It is also tried to não.fazer dull things, that I when he was new made and that they had made me to lose assaults ", advanced. "I thought that this could be my last chance", it admitted the espadista to the Lusa, that finished for using to advantage this chance of the best form. <hr /></blockquote>

JEC · 08-20-2002, 05:34 PM

Country Gold/Silver/Bronze = Total
Russia 3 1 1 = 5
Italy 1 - 1 = 2
China 1 - 1 = 2
South Korea 1 - 1 = 2
Germany - 2 1 = 3
France - 2 1 = 3
Azerbaijan - 1 - = 1
Romaine - - 2 = 2
Hungary - - 2 = 2
Poland - - 1 = 1
Byelorussia - - 1 = 1

[ 08-20-2002, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: JEC ]

nahouw · 08-20-2002, 09:39 PM

thanks, Veeco, for the kudos on womens sabre.

kudos for Eric for picking Loit in the finals (although half-jokingly -- good pick, because if you have ever watched him fence, he is _extremely_ difficult, plus he thoroughly tries your patience!!)

I am sad about my WF picks -- each of my Italian girls lost their bouts with fencers in the Final 4 by 1 touch -- by 1 touch, I could have had all 4 right! and to Paolo, Edina is a very good fencer (ranked 16) -- she always give Italians such trouble -- I am friends with Margherita, and like she said laughingly the last time she lost to Edina, "if I knew what she was doing I would have known what to do", which shows the long term difficulty she has with her.

Veeco, hmmm... maybe Obry is ready to retire, but then again, Pena has been fencing very good lately.

I like Veeco's analysis of the nut-case factor of Loit and Milanoli. Loit _truly_ doesn't even know he is crazy -- it is fascinating to watch him. Paolo, is just being Paolo

<g> -- he plays it -- I know him, and he is a really nice, highly intelligent guy; I just think he is misunderstood. I hope he didn't really get black carded -- where did you hear that? With David being hurt, this would be a very bad thing for the Italian team.

What really sucked for Paolo was that he had to meet Kolobkov in the 8. Kolobkov is ranked 28th -- definitely not where he should be, except for the way the FIE ranks competitors based upon competition attendance. I think this should be a lesson to the FIE that they need to modify the seeding for the World Championships -- even in tennis, Wimbledon recognizes the difference in surfaces and the World Standings, and they adjust their seeding accordingly and appropriately. They run a well balanced tournament. Meanwhile, at the French Open, you wind up seeing alot of upsets -- because they go strictly on the rankings, without taking into account surfaces -- in case you don't know tennis, your style of play is dictated by the surface (or rather, if you can't adjust your style of play to the surface, you don't do well -- i.e. Agassi can adjust to every surface, hence has won each of the Grand Slam events; Sampras can only play grass, hence he has 11 Wimbledons, a couple of US Opens, gets knocked of the French in the first round every year, and no Australians). The FIE has to do something about their ranking system to make it more balanced. Perhaps, keeping a World ranking based on competitions attendance, and having a seeding for World Championships based upon your average result.

damianip · 08-21-2002, 05:42 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nahouw:


SNIP!!!

I like Veeco's analysis of the nut-case factor of Loit and Milanoli. Loit _truly_ doesn't even know he is crazy -- it is fascinating to watch him. Paolo, is just being Paolo

<g> -- he plays it -- I know him, and he is a really nice, highly intelligent guy; I just think he is misunderstood.

SNIP!!!<hr /></blockquote>Actually, I think most people (at least my friends and I) see Milanoli's gamesmanship as part of his genius.

I agree that Loit and his countryman Andrus Kajak don't seem to indicate that it's all a game. They are both a blast to watch. It seems that Kajak has retired, which is a shame.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nahouw:


SNIP!!!!

I hope he didn't really get black carded -- where did you hear that? With David being hurt, this would be a very bad thing for the Italian team.

SNIP!!!
<hr /></blockquote>As far as Milanoli's black card is concerned, I picked it up on the Italian version of Eurosport.

The URL is:

<a href="http://www.eurosport.com/sport.asp?LangueID=4&SportID=27&StoryID=322067" target="_blank">http://www.eurosport.com/sport.asp?LangueID=4&SportID=27&StoryID=322067</a>

Paolo

JEC · 08-21-2002, 09:45 AM

MS team

FIGHT FOR PLACE
1 - 2 Italy : Russia (pending)
3 - 4 Poland 33: 45 Germany
5 - 6 Romania 37: 45 Hungary
7 - 8 Ukraine 45: 37 Belarus
9 - 10 France 45: 42 Spain
11 - 12 United States 45: 29 Canada
13 - 14 China 45: 31 Thailand
15 - 16 South Korea 45: 30 Hong-Kong

WE team

1 - 2 Hungary: Estonia (pending)
3 - 4 China 45: 28 Russia
5 - 6 Germany 45: 39 France
7 - 8 Switzerland 38: 30 Belarus
9 - 10 Poland 38: 40 Cuba
11 - 12 Austria 27: 45 Ukraine
13 - 14 Israel 43: 44 Latvia
15 - 16 Great Britain 45: 0 Spain (?? 30)

20. USA

[ 08-21-2002, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: JEC ]

veeco · 08-21-2002, 10:28 AM

I think that this year's results for the French team should be considered as a lesson. A lesson of humility.

A lot of people in France decided to boycott world cups, and they are seeing the result of that. No training, no focus = poor results.

The only French fencers who had medals this year are those who were seeded extremely high and had an easy path the the DE (Jeannet did not have one tough bout until he had to fence Kolobkov, Pillet as well to some extent).

JEC · 08-21-2002, 10:49 AM

Hungary beat Estonia 43-31 in WE Team.

damianip · 08-21-2002, 12:05 PM

Italy just got CRUSHED by Russia in the MS Team final.

45-22

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!

Russia seems to be unstoppable this year.

Paolo

edew · 08-21-2002, 12:25 PM

They spanked Germany prior to that 45-15.

veeco · 08-22-2002, 10:57 AM

Another gold medal for Russia in Women's Sabre Team.

These guys/gals are on the prowl.

Anyone care to guess who's gonna win the Men's Foil team? France? Germany?

I'll go for France but Germany has Wessels, Bissdorf...

But then again, France has won it so many times before... T'would be nice if we get it one more time... And finally get that gold!

veeco · 08-22-2002, 11:13 AM

Germany killed France 45-24... That's gotta hurt <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

edew · 08-23-2002, 09:43 AM

Looks like Russia is coming home with some serious medal count. Took three golds in the individuals, may take 4 in the teams. Jeesh. You'd think that things in Russia is supposed to be going to hell in a handbasket. How'd they managed to maintain their training regiment and maintain their dedication tot he sport?

JEC · 08-23-2002, 10:22 AM

Having their superpower pride hurt, their sweep probably would make national news encouraging more people going into the sport.
[As side note, I wonder how this would be reported by those well-publicized russian TV news anchors.] <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

veeco · 08-23-2002, 01:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by edew:
Looks like Russia is coming home with some serious medal count. Took three golds in the individuals, may take 4 in the teams. Jeesh. You'd think that things in Russia is supposed to be going to hell in a handbasket. How'd they managed to maintain their training regiment and maintain their dedication tot he sport?<hr /></blockquote>Russia isn't going as bad as everyone thinks they are going here. Bottom line, is that they have a lot of talent in fencing, a good program to detect and grow that talent, and semi-professional athletes.

Kolobkov, Podzniakov, and Golubitsky are all part of the biggest names in fencing, and they range over all the weapons.

goldbaker · 08-23-2002, 01:52 PM

The Russians have always been strong -- they just put it all together this time around.

The biggest surprise is that there were no medals at all for the female Italian foil fencers. Although I picked Youcheva to win foil (she came in 2nd), I certainly thought that Vezzali and/or Trillini would medal.

The South Koreans also did surprisingly well -- though they've been up and coming for a while.

What happened to the Chinese men's foil team?

Also, Spain beating Cuba in the men's foil team event for the bronze had to be a big upset.

Hopefully, we'll be able to see some of this if tapes come out.

D'Artagnan1673 · 08-23-2002, 01:56 PM

Alright, stupid question, but is not Golubitsky from Ukraine? Is not Ukraine its own country now? In other words, shouldn't Golubitsky be part of the Ukrainian National Team instead of the Russian?

veeco · 08-23-2002, 03:07 PM

That's not a stupid question.

He fences for Ukraine now, but he used to fence for USSR, and basically Ukraine was a component of USSR and pretty much uses the same training methods, coaching system, etc. than Russia.