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veeco · 08-16-2002, 11:03 PM

Flessel was charged for the failed drug test in May and faces a 3 months suspension.

So if my math is correct she would still be allowed to fence in the world champs. She is still on the starting list, and her event starts tomorrow, so I would think that she would still be fencing then...

But I am not an expert on drug testing. So I could be wrong. I'll keep her in my list.

edew · 08-18-2002, 08:58 AM

Good, Bad, and the Ugly:

I made a great call for sabre:

Pozdniakov, Tarantino, and Covaliu all made it to the final four. Pillet as opposed to Ferjanscik for the last person. I guess I should have known, given that Pillet was seeded number one. Kothny shouldn't have left the German team. I don't know if he's training in Thailand as opposed to still living and training in Europe, but he got knocked out in the first round of DEs.

Keeth made 10th! Which is pretty close to my prediction of top-8.

The ugly: my prediction for women's epee wasn't even close. None of my latest prediction came close. However, my original prediction included Duplitzer and Flessel-Colovic in the top 4, AND Heidemann. At the moment, they're only displaying the top-8 in WE, and those three are in it.

In men's foil, Woods from the US is out. The three New York fencers are still in it. In women's sabre, all the US fencers had byes into the DE table. Amazing.

veeco · 08-18-2002, 10:37 AM

<a href="http://www.kothny.de" target="_blank">http://www.kothny.de</a>

veeco · 08-18-2002, 10:38 AM

Tiomkin is out as well.

Zelda · 08-18-2002, 11:24 AM

Flessel is out, she came 5th. I am happy to say one of my favourite women sabre fencers and a good friend of mine (Emma Hynes) is still in. I must admit I am disappointed that Australia did not send a full team, but then again we dont actually get alot of funding!

swordsen · 08-18-2002, 11:59 AM

Well Nobody picked the winner in the WE.
Go Korea!

veeco · 08-18-2002, 12:03 PM

Oh my God I am being to scare myself.

I called 1 and 2 in order for Men's Sabre, and I don't even fence sabre.

I guess that's another token of how predictable and simple sabre is <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

Apologies to all sabre fencers: I am not on a holy crusade to eradicate sabre... OK?

Looks like Korea is now a country to be taken into consideration as far as epee goes... Not to mention foil, however is Kim still fencing?

edew · 08-18-2002, 01:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by veeco:
Oh my God I am being to scare myself.

I called 1 and 2 in order for Men's Sabre, and I don't even fence sabre.

I guess that's another token of how predictable and simple sabre is <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

Apologies to all sabre fencers: I am not on a holy crusade to eradicate sabre... OK?

Looks like Korea is now a country to be taken into consideration as far as epee goes... Not to mention foil, however is Kim still fencing?<hr /></blockquote>Hey, I called Tarantino, and he's not been in the running for a while!

Amazing for the Korean woman epeeist, Hyun Hee. She had to go through some pretty tough crowd to win the gold: Rinaldi, Flessel-Colovic, Heidemann, and then Duplitzer. That's no fluke there. I would love to get some coverage of that.

Young-Ho Kim is still competing (that is, if that name corresponds to the same Young-Ho Kim). I don't know how he's doing. Ok, now I do. He's in the top-64 and that's as much information as it'll give, since they'll probably be fencing the 64->final tomorrow.

I forgot to suggest Tomer Or as a possible finalist in men's foil. Kim is in the same bracket as Sanzo, so who knows what might happen. Looks like an exciting World Championships.

nahouw · 08-18-2002, 06:25 PM

Hey, I was just going along with Veeco's list and making minor changes -- a couple of days later I wanted to make a minor revise on the sabre, because he forgot Gi-Gi and Mihai, but then I didn't do it -- heehee if I did, I would have had the final 4 right

<g>

But this Korean girl in epee -- what a tough draw she went through to do it! Amazing!

mejci · 08-18-2002, 07:24 PM

Did everyone hear the decision that was made???
Womens sabre is in a womens team foil out!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
btw my heart goes out to Mincza it looks like she'll never get back to her best <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

veeco · 08-18-2002, 11:55 PM

Why are you saying that about Mincza? She lost to this year's winner, so in theory she could have beat anyone else out there...

edew · 08-19-2002, 11:02 AM

There's a chinese fencer in the top-4 of men's foil and a chinese fencer in the top-2 of women's sabre.

Might this year be the year of the Asian revolution in fencing? First it's Hyun Hee in women's epee. Now, it's Hanxiong Wu in foil and Xue Tan in women's sabre.

Damned, I should have went with my asian instincts and bet the house on the fellow yellows.

veeco · 08-19-2002, 11:52 AM

Well, I guess no one had the Men's Foil right.

GoldBaker picked Wu at the right place, which is quite an achievement! I am not sure it was the right Wu, though ;-).

I had Wessels in the top 4, although he finished 2nd instead of 1st.

Guyart was non-existant, he got knocked-out by Vanni who took the Gold. So it's a 2 years running for Italy in Men's Foil. I think we might see them in the top 4 in Team Men's Foil, and that scares me because I did not include them...

In Women's Sabre, I have Argiolas and Jemaeva, but in the wrong order.
Kudos to Nahow who almost got them in the right order (Jemaeva was just missing one touch...)

Sada Jacobson finished 5th, the highest finish in a long time for a US fencer in individual since Iris' bronze medal in Seoul.

This is some pretty exciting stuff!

edew · 08-19-2002, 12:06 PM

Tan Xue wins women's sabre. Amazing. The asian bloc is going for the 2008 games in a big way. Maybe with this successful result in women's sabre, China will press the IOC to include women's team sabre (and bring back women's team foil as well).

Jie Ming was 6-0 with very good indicators in the preliminaries. Maybe the chinese women foilists will kick some butt. It's not as though chinese women foilists never did anything: Luan Jujie did win the Olympics in 84 (and still managed to get to the 2000 Olympics for Canada, right?).

I think the Chinese men's foil team will win it this year. They're psyched from Wu's finish, and we all know that the chinese men's foil team is way underrated: they're very strong.

Note that the chinese team did not attend last year's World Championships. They're here this year and they're going to hit hard.

I think the chinese women's epee team will do well too. Maybe a silver. (I had placed them in bronze, but Switzerland and Russia's abyssmal individual finishes aren't going to place them anywhere high.)

And what's up with the Men's epee results? They've printed the list of those who are knocked out, but it would be nice to see the pool results so we have a chance to estimate positions.

Maybe Lee Sang-up will win men's epee gold. The europeans are RUNNING SCARED!!!

goldbaker · 08-19-2002, 12:45 PM

Well, in Men's foil I guessed one out of four correctly (Wu). I figured the Asian men's foil fencers were a bit underestimated just due to the fact that they didn't compete in Europe on a regular basis. The results were pretty surprising though. I figured Sanzo was pretty much invincible -- oh well. I think Kielpikowski (sp?) took a bronze a few years back, and was knocked out by Golubitski. Wessels was something of an up and comer, but I doubt anybody figured he would have finished higher than Bissdorf.

By the way, I noticed that the score of Wu's round of 8 bout against a Belgian fencer was listed as 0-0. Does anyone know what this means? Did the Belgian withdraw due to injury?

Anyway, pretty entertaining stuff. If video is available, it will be good to see some new people in the finals.

veeco · 08-19-2002, 01:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by edew:
And what's up with the Men's epee results? They've printed the list of those who are knocked out, but it would be nice to see the pool results so we have a chance to estimate positions.
<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, what's up with that? I'd like to see the pools results! Gosh, it's not like I am not used to have to wait like 2 weeks before I can get the just the overall results for an event. Now that they are posting the pools and DEs in realtime I think we are getting spoiled <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

Anyway, from the table I can say that Snider is out, but that Kelsey did win all his bouts in the pools (he was in the top 16 coming out of pools so doesn't have to fence the preliminary DEs). Hansen and Tausig still have to come through DEs.

damianip · 08-20-2002, 06:59 AM

HFS!!!!!!!!!!!

Women's foil is not what I had expected!!!!

Bau and all the Italians are out. The final four are:

Knapek (!!!!????)
Youcheva
Mohammed
Bojko

Men's épée is pretty wacky too. A lot of expected performers are already out. Milanoli barely won his first DE.

This is one interesting WCh.

I hope someone gets it on tape.

Paolo

veeco · 08-20-2002, 09:02 AM

Yeah and Korea is the only nation to have 2 fencers in the top 8 in Men's epee.

And those 2 fencers are not those that we were expecting.

edew · 08-20-2002, 09:50 AM

HFS is right! I am thinking that maybe some of the women foilists are dropping out on purpose because of the Roch decision with WF and WS. I could see Bau doing that. And what's with Vezzali's 3-4 loss score? Maybe they stood there for the requisite time to get the card for passivity, and moved to the end, and just stood there to piss of the FIE. I don't know. Any news on that?

As for men's epee, I suggested that Korea might be a factor. I didn't think that much of a factor. Amazing. I won't doubt that they might have a winner in that.

Oh, and didn't I pick Meelis Loit for top-4? He made 7th. Maybe it was a gift back to him for last year for f**king up the game with the passivity rule.

[ 08-20-2002, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: edew ]

veeco · 08-20-2002, 10:26 AM

Eric, you are incredible,

You did not pick Loit Meelis in the top-4, you said:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
ME:
1. Jeannett (Fabrice)
2. Milanoli
3. Meelis (Seriously, Marik/Strigel)
<hr /></blockquote>Marik was knocked out by Imre Geza,
and Strigel went out in the first round to our Canadian friend Tomy Linteau (great fencer by the way).

We all screwed up on this year's previsions. Don't you try to look better than everyone else <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .