06-30-2005, 10:18 AM
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#21 | | Immortal
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| I think the original poster is asking about foil.
The supreme example was the Sabine Bau chicken wing offense. She would inch forward, her weapon arm pressed against her chest, hand near her left shoulder, point aimed at the stars, showing virtually no target. When her opponent finally reached the end of the strip, or the end of her patience, and counter-attacked, Bau would flick in a hit and score.
Effective, legal, and really ugly.
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06-30-2005, 01:32 PM
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#22 | | Senior Member
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| I heard that the weapon arm and bib were being considered being made targets in foil. Does anyone know if this consideration is something coming up this year or next, or is it just one of those things being talked about? | |
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06-30-2005, 01:33 PM
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#23 | | Senior Member
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| How about a feint-4, disengage-8 to hit in the flank? That's precisely the move (executed at the correct distance) which strong fencers will use against me if I start slipping into the whole parry-4-scrunch bad habit when fencing them. Scrunching into the 4 just opens that flank wiiiiiiiiide open. So humiliating to get nailed there like that, too, arghhhhh. Of course there's also the shoulder as well, with or without a flick, but I get the impression flank - or even flick to flank - is a surer bet. (as well as more demoralizing, at least to me personally) Quote: |
Originally Posted by remise Well, this guy does scrunch forward, and he DOES take his weapon arm and bring it completely across his lame. It's frustrating. Like PARRYTHIS said, the only thing open is the shoulder. | | |
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06-30-2005, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by remise I heard that the weapon arm and bib were being considered being made targets in foil. Does anyone know if this consideration is something coming up this year or next, or is it just one of those things being talked about? | well it is just being talked about - and has been for at least 100+years (these used to be parts of foil target area).
New lames and masks for all next year? Probably not.
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06-30-2005, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by remise I heard that the weapon arm and bib were being considered being made targets in foil. Does anyone know if this consideration is something coming up this year or next, or is it just one of those things being talked about? | It regularly comes up as a suggestion, but it is always found to be unsafe and unpractical, and it's very unlikely that those rules will pass this year. | |
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06-30-2005, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs It regularly comes up as a suggestion, but it is always found to be unsafe and unpractical.... | Ah, just as unsafe and unpractical as epee and sabre, then?
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06-30-2005, 02:30 PM
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#27 | | Armorer
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Originally Posted by Have At You Ah, just as unsafe and unpractical as epee and sabre, then? | No, believe it or not there is a difference between the 3 weapons. First Sabre is used mostly with a cut. Second, why get close enough to hit the bib, when you have the arm so much closer. It is not as much of a problem in these 2 weapons, because there are closer targets to hit.
Why invite attacks to the throat? Having the bib as target area in Foil would make that the closest target area.
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06-30-2005, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by remise Well, this guy does scrunch forward, and he DOES take his weapon arm and bring it completely across his lame. It's frustrating. Like PARRYTHIS said, the only thing open is the shoulder. | As ugly as that looks it is the correct way to fence these days with the new foil timings. Try to get his shoulder and you will probably get no light. | |
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06-30-2005, 03:16 PM
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#29 | | Senior Member
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| Well, now that MikeHarm mentioned jumping attacks, do you come across them often? I have never read in the rules that they are illegal, so I'll assume they are legal. If you have a fencer that uses a jumping attack, is there a defense for that besides distance? | |
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06-30-2005, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by remise Well, now that MikeHarm mentioned jumping attacks, do you come across them often? I have never read in the rules that they are illegal, so I'll assume they are legal. If you have a fencer that uses a jumping attack, is there a defense for that besides distance? | A large pit covered with leaves often works (sharpened spikes opional).
.... although the armourers don't like the mess it makes of their nice metal strips. 
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06-30-2005, 04:45 PM
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#31 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge As ugly as that looks it is the correct way to fence these days with the new foil timings. Try to get his shoulder and you will probably get no light. | And what's to stop his opponents from doing the same thing? 9 minutes of white light, halt, nothing done; white light, halt, nothing done... | |
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06-30-2005, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata And what's to stop his opponents from doing the same thing? 9 minutes of white light, halt, nothing done; white light, halt, nothing done... |
Actually I have noticed a lot more off-targets since the introduction of the new times. Is it only me? I wonder if the new debounce time has something to do with this. | |
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07-01-2005, 01:32 AM
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#33 | | Senior Member
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| I've seen A fencer's doing them at nationals when I went. Here is a picture of one: Jumping Attack
I have it on video, maybe I'll convert it to something people could play if I have time.
I think for a jumping attack the risk is an out of control card, and the lower your rating the more danger you are of it being tossed (I'd definately be in the danger zone), also I'd be afraid to do it in a match with my opponents coach directing if I was ahead as it seems like a good opportunity for them to toss a card and scream at ya to try to break your focus.
My jumping attack that I've done is with guys with a low guard/stance where I parry into a low line and riposte while jumping over their sword. So far its been 100% scoring one light after the jump though the opportunities for it that I've been able to capitalize on are really rare. Fun though.  Quote: |
Originally Posted by remise Well, now that MikeHarm mentioned jumping attacks, do you come across them often? I have never read in the rules that they are illegal, so I'll assume they are legal. If you have a fencer that uses a jumping attack, is there a defense for that besides distance? | | |
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