Women's Saber Silver in Cuba!

[Craig]

Congrats to the US Team. Women's Saber did very well with Sada Jacobson winning the silver and 5 fencers placing in the top 16!

(Full results available off the home page - www.fencing.net )

Cheers,
Craig

[Peach]

Interesting finishes - who took Mariel Zagunis out before she got to the 16?

I'm confused by something. I thought you had to be in the top 16 to compete in a foreign World Cup. Does Cuba not count for that? I see that Carol Donohue from the US competed, and she's not even on the national points list.

[MHS Fencer]

It's really only European World Cups where you have to be in the top 16. I passed on the chance to fence Men's Epee in Cuba (I still had finals!) even though I could have. I'm not even on the Senior Points list, but I've attended the World Cup in Montreal, and I got my FIE license so I could interlope at events like those.

-Ian

[Peach]

Woooo - I'm going to go to one next year then. I thought it was only the ones in the US that weren't restricted. Though now that I think of it, I've known people to go to Montreal for epee who weren't on the points list so I should have known. I have my FIE license from Peabody.

[oiuyt]

Delia- I think anything in North America gets excepted from the rule about top 16. I believe the way the FIE does things, there are strict rules for numbers of referees that need to be supplied by participating countries for any World Cups in Europe. For tournaments outside of Europe, the same rules apply, except that the hosting country can open it to unlimited numbers of fencers from the rest of that continent. I don't know whether or not it's actually enforced for, say, tournaments in Asia. (are there many/any WC tournaments in Asia?)

-B

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"Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"

[Boo Boo Too]

Women's Foil has a few in Asia - one in Peking, one in Korea - so I pressume That the other weapons do too.

Boo Boo

[saberkid]

ok, so, now im kinda confused on this whole thing, you do, or do not have to be in the top 16 of any point standings to fence international, i thought it was top 16.

makes it hard, i gota get in the top 16 of junior! gunna be hard!


Chris

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Fence with the best die like the rest!

[edew]

Chris (saberkid):

Best thing is talk to your coach. He should be the person to inform his fencers whether they can attend a world cup or not. In a forum such as this, you'll get partial answers, incorrect answers, correct answers, and everything else in between. You'll never know which answer is the correct one.

[space_cadet]

Look up the USFA website for who gets to compete at World Cups. However, someone already mentioned it, the entrance qualifications are different for fencers of the country that is holding the event. I know that the sabre World Cup in Boston and epee World Cup in Montreal had different entrance criteria for U.S. fencers.

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Cadet à Space

[Peach]

The Athletes Handbook (which is mailed to the top 24 point holders in each weapon and is also available on the USFA website) has a couple of relevant excerpts:

Section 3.6 reads: A fencer will be considered for entry in a Senior European "A" ONLY IF the fencer is ranked in the top 16 [1-16] of the Senior Rolling Point Standings or top 8 [1-8] in the USFA Junior Rolling Point Standings at the entry deadline of the "A" competition. A fencer will be considered for entry in a Junior "A" ONLY IF the fencer is ranked in the top 12 [1-12] in the USFA Junior Rolling Point Standings or the top 8 [1-8] in the USFA Cadet Rolling Point Standings at the entry deadline of the "A" competition.


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Section 3.7 reads:

Entry Limitations

The FIE has placed a limit of eight fencers who can be entered by a country in either a Senior or Junior "A" comptetition. There are two exceptions to this rule:

a. a country is allowed additional fencers equal to the number of its fencers in the top 32 in the FIE standings at the end of the previous World Cup season; and
b. additional entries may be allowed for World Cup competitions held outside of Europe.

The National Rolling Point Standings at the entry deadline will determine entry priority.

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U.S. fencers must be entered by the USFA to compete in a World Cup. Any U.S. Athlete who competes in a world Cup without being entered by the USFA will not be awarded any points for which the athlete might have been eligible.

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3.9

A fencer which enters five to eight fencers must provide one referee, more than eight fencers two referees.

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Peabody and Rochester are listed as exceptions to these rules, with unlimited US entries permitted currently.

There were, I think, eleven US fencers in Havana not counting Carol Donohue, so I assume the US was already providing three referees anyway even if she entered. At least one other WS fencer was not in the top 16 on the points list; she has done World Cups before, however, and is 20th.

[veeco]

Originally posted by Craig:
Congrats to the US Team. Women's Saber did very well with Sada Jacobson winning the silver and 5 fencers placing in the top 16!

I don't want to start an argument here, but man, the French team kicked *** !!! 5 fencers, not in the top 16, but in the top 8, that's really good. And we got the gold medal too... Yeehaa, as they say in Texas :-).