07-22-2005, 04:09 PM
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| JOs in Hartford?! Is it the Civic Center, because that's currently being renovated (from the cement up). The state is funding a major league building effort to make the site a convention center, but right now, there is only one big hotel.
On the bright side, you are right on the CT River and the Science Center of CT is moving in right on the site.
Good for Hartford (and the CT Division). This should give our local news something interesting to report.
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07-22-2005, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by foildad The USFA sent out an email today confirming these dates but no locations were listed. Also, it shows the October NAC to be Div 2/Cadet/Y14 and the November NAC to be Junior/Cadet. | Yeah, the information I posted was from the email sent out by Linda Merritt (USFA Sacretary) to the members of the BoD. I'll try to confirm with her, but I'd assume that the schedule, as sent out today, with the Y14 in October (and no D3 at that NAC) is correct.
Boo, hiss. :(
-B :)
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07-22-2005, 07:45 PM
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| Foildad,
Keep in mind that OIUYT is in the Board of Directors of USFA. So, we knew that the early information that he provided was as accurate as it was preliminarly available.
JEC
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07-26-2005, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JEC From the email:
"2005-2006 Domestic Schedule
Locations to be announced soon
October 7-10, 2005 Division II/ Cadet/Youth 14
November 11-14, 2005Junior/Cadet
December 9-11, 2005 Division I/Veteran
January 13-16, 2006 Division I/Junior
February 17-20, 2006 Junior Olympic Championships
March 10-13, 2006 Division II/III/Veteran
April 21-24, 2006 Division I/Youth 14/12/10
June 30-July 9, 2006 Division I National Championships, Summer National Championships"
From different individuals (not directly USFA) expected/rumored locations:
October 7-10, 2005 Division II/ Cadet/Youth 14 - Miami, FL
November 11-14, 2005 Junior/Cadet - Albuquerque, NM
December 9-11, 2005: Division I/Veteran - Pittsburgh, PA
January 13-16, 2006: Division I/Junior - Houston, TX
February 17-20, 2006: Junior Olympic Championships - Hartford,CT
March 10-13, 2006: Division II/III/Veteran - Denver (most likely)
April 21-24, 2006: Division I/Youth 14/12/10 - Sacramento (most likely)
June 30-July 9, 2006: Division I & Summer National Championships - Atlanta | Today, we received another email from the USFA indicating a mistake was made in their calendar. The new calendar looks like: CORRECTION
2005-2006 USFA Domestic Schedule
Below is the correct 05-06 schedule. There was an error in the newsletter sent out last week. We apologize for any confusion.
October 7-10, 2005 NAC Division II/Division III/Cadet
November 11-14, 2005 NAC Youth 14/Cadet/Junior
December 9-11, 2005 NAC Division I/Veteran/Wheelchair
January 13-16, 2006 NAC Division I/Junior
February 17-20, 2006 Junior Olympic Championships
March 10-13, 2006 NAC Division II/III/Veteran
April 21-24, 2006 NAC Division I/Youth 14/12/10/Wheelchair
June 30-July 9, 2006 Division I National Championships
Summer National Championships
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07-27-2005, 12:12 AM
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| Many of us recieved this correction notice today from the USFA but just in case someone did not here is the officail link: http://view.exacttarget.com/?ffcc17-...7261017e741d78
CORRECTION
2005-2006 USFA Domestic Schedule
Below is the correct 05-06 schedule. There was an error in the newsletter sent out last week. We apologize for any confusion.
October 7-10, 2005 NAC Division II/Division III/Cadet
November 11-14, 2005 NAC Youth 14/Cadet/Junior
December 9-11, 2005 NAC Division I/Veteran/Wheelchair
January 13-16, 2006 NAC Division I/Junior
February 17-20, 2006 Junior Olympic Championships
March 10-13, 2006 NAC Division II/III/Veteran
April 21-24, 2006 NAC Division I/Youth 14/12/10/Wheelchair
June 30-July 9, 2006 Division I National Championships
Summer National Championships | |
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07-27-2005, 02:56 PM
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| Notes for the 2005-6 USFA corrected calendar:
- We are back to 2 Div. III NACs (instead of only 1) + Summer Nats.
- In addition to the Summer Nats, we have the following NACs:
3 Div. I NACs
2 Div. II NACs
2 Div. III NACs
2 Veterans NACs
2 Junior NACs + JOs
2 Cadet + JOs
2 Y14 NACs
1 Y12/10 NACs
2 Wheelchair NACs
Thus, the groups with 4 national tournaments are Div. I, Junior and Cadets. The group with the least is the Y12/10. However, keep in mind that they have the super regional circuit too.
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07-30-2005, 03:59 PM
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| In the Gulf Coast Forums, Quote: |
Originally Posted by MJ Wysocki
Div 1/Junior N.A.C. Venue - Houston
« Thread Started on Today at 12:16am »
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We can now announce that the USFA has approved the George R. Brown Convention Center as the venue for the Division 1/Junior North American Cup to be held in Houston this January!
| 2005-2006 USFA Domestic Schedule (some locations are not confirmed)
October 7-10, 2005 - NAC Division II/Division III/Cadet - Miami, FL
November 11-14, 2005 - NAC Youth 14/Cadet/Junior - Albuquerque, NM
December 9-11, 2005 - NAC Division I/Veteran/Wheelchair - Pittsburgh, PA
January 13-16, 2006 - NAC Division I/Junior - Houston, TX
February 17-20, 2006 - Junior Olympic Championships - Hartford, CT
March 10-13, 2006 - NAC Division II/III/Veteran - Denver, CO
April 21-24, 2006 - NAC Division I/Youth 14/12/10/Wheelchair - Sacramento, CA
June 30-July 9, 2006 - Division I National Championships - Atlanta, GA
Summer National Championships
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07-30-2005, 10:25 PM
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| are there any div1A nacs? | |
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07-30-2005, 10:34 PM
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| Div 1A NAC
There's only one Div 1A event per season, at Summer Nationals. | |
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07-31-2005, 10:00 AM
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| What would a Div IA NAC even be? An Open? And if so, what would be the point, the top people already have D1, the less top people already have D2 and/or D3.
-B :)
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07-31-2005, 12:32 PM
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| Ahem. I would be the point. And those like me.
Can't do Div II any more, am almost certain to get waxed in Div I.
( Actually, I am not agitating for Div IA NACs---just being argumentative.  ) | |
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07-31-2005, 12:44 PM
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| Div IA nac... must be a C or higher... but can't have Sr. Points? and it doesn't award points?... <shrug> ... seems like a silly idea to me... but I'd probably fence in it if it existed... but then again... I'll fence in almost anything I can.
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07-31-2005, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt What would a Div IA NAC even be? An Open? And if so, what would be the point, the top people already have D1, the less top people already have D2 and/or D3.
-B | Now why has the USFA stopped having Open NACs? It seems like maybe one per season might not be a bad thing. | 
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07-31-2005, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by prototoast Now why has the USFA stopped having Open NACs? It seems like maybe one per season might not be a bad thing. | The Open NACs were getting too big to handle. They tried some other means to make the tournaments more manageable (eg. each event goes for 2 days, and the top 16 fence only on day 2, after day 1 narrowed the field for them,) but that caused more problems than it solved. I think they decided that the purpose of the NACs was to rank fencers on the Senior National Point Standings, and that fencers rated "D" and below had very little chance of making the cut. I'd have to agree. I've never checked, but I imagine there are very few "C" fencers on any of the Senior point standings.
If I recall correctly, both sides of this matter have been argued in previous threads on this forum.
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07-31-2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe Div IA nac... must be a C or higher... but can't have Sr. Points? | They may have changed it to C and above since last year, but Div I-A used to be open to anyone who qualified through Sectionals regardless of rating. And I know the last part isn't right---Brad Baker, who won Div-IA at Nationals, has senior points. | |
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07-31-2005, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank Pratt The Open NACs were getting too big to handle. | Yes. This is the reason the USFA has abandoned such things to LOCs. See Duel in the Desert, PdT, Cresent City Open, Long Beach Open. There is even an "combined vet" event in Boston run by Bill Hall in October.
Anyone care to list the premier open events, and their dates? (Sounds like a job for FRED.) | |
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07-31-2005, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata They may have changed it to C and above since last year, but Div I-A used to be open to anyone who qualified through Sectionals regardless of rating. And I know the last part isn't right---Brad Baker, who won Div-IA at Nationals, has senior points. | Div IA is still open to all fencers, regardless of classification, who can manage to place high enough at the Sectional Championships. Granted, this might not be easy for a "D" or lower fencer in some sections. Here in the Southeast, only 17 of the 78 Div IA qulifiers (22%) were "D" or below. I can't imagine how hard this might be at, say, the NYC Sectionals!
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07-31-2005, 01:44 PM
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| Inq,
Div IA Nationals are still open to anyone who can qualify... that was my 'proposal' (the quotes are because it really isnt...) for a div IA NAC.
As NACs don't require a qualification path... you have to restrict it somehow (or have a really long, drawn out, painful tournament that wouldn't be a whole lot of fun for anyone ... the fencers, the referees, the bout committee, etc.)... All the other Div X NACs are restricted on qualification... so this one should be as well to fit the mold of the others... but you need to do something to differentiate it from Div I... otherwise its the same thing. By removing those with national points, it becomes closer to the IA event at summer nationals (there doesn't tend to be much overlap from Div I to Div IA)... and if you don't have the points list people... you really can't award senior points for it.
Alternatively, if you just don't award points... then a majority of the points-list folks probably won't show for it anyway...
Basically this would allow a Div IA NAC to be the next development step... for those fencers with As and Bs who aren't ready to play with the top level folks (points list people).
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07-31-2005, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dee EffEll Yes. This is the reason the USFA has abandoned such things to LOCs. See Duel in the Desert, PdT, Cresent City Open, Long Beach Open. There is even an "combined vet" event in Boston run by Bill Hall in October.
Anyone care to list the premier open events, and their dates? (Sounds like a job for FRED.) | Good point. The results from some of these events have even made the pages of American Fencing. Perhaps these big events should form a circuit with its own point standings. The organizers for each tournament could fork over a small percentage of the entry fees for a really nice prize to the the top fencer in each weapon at the end of each season. I would think this would improve the turnout at these events.
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07-31-2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe that was my 'proposal' (the quotes are because it really isnt...) for a div IA NAC.
| Ah. Got it. | |
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