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jspierre · 06-27-2005, 04:30 PM

I've heard about super grippy grips that LP makes, but does anyone know if they make them for epee? It's not clear but it seem like their website only shows foil grips with this feature.

El Chucko · 06-27-2005, 11:41 PM

I use leon paul pistol grips almost exclusively. The foil grips have a textured enamel coating that provides better surface "gripability." (Increased surface area=increased friction coefficient.) I use the belgian style, but they sell a visconti style with the textured coating, too.

I have the same type of leon paul grips on my epees, too, but without the coating. The metal is not entirely smooth, but it does not have the great textured enamel that the foil grips have.

I still love these grips though. The belgian style is longer than most, but not as bulky as many "large" or "extra large" belgian grips. It allows you to use an almost french-grip-style hand position, and keep your pinky out of the way of epee touches (usually).

I hope this helps.

ReverseLunge · 06-28-2005, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jspierre

I've heard about super grippy grips that LP makes, but does anyone know if they make them for epee? It's not clear but it seem like their website only shows foil grips with this feature.

I don't see why they wouldnt work for an Epee. BTW I heard they are illegal in all 50 states.

mrbiggs · 06-28-2005, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge

BTW I heard they are illegal in all 50 states.

That doesn't really make any sense at all. Are you talking about the Gardere?

ReverseLunge · 06-28-2005, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mrbiggs

That doesn't really make any sense at all. Are you talking about the Gardere?

the french/pistol hybrid one.

DHCJr · 06-28-2005, 01:06 AM

No, Epee has a rule that Foil does not have in M.4.3. The rubber tube they use and the tape from the original could hide a switch. In fact something like that was done at the '76 Olympics in Pentathlon. This handle could not be used legally in Epee.

El Chucko · 06-28-2005, 04:27 AM

This is the grip I use, and it's not illegal, it's just a belgian with textured paint:

http://www.leonpaulusa.com/fencing/a...s_82_small.jpg

These are the visconti with the paint:

http://www.leonpaulusa.com/fencing/a...e_85_small.jpg

They call them "Ultra Grips."

El Chucko · 06-28-2005, 04:29 AM

P.S. - It's not illegal for foil. For epee, I use the exact same grip, but without any paint/coating (just bare metal).

HDG · 06-28-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jspierre

I've heard about super grippy grips that LP makes, but does anyone know if they make them for epee? It's not clear but it seem like their website only shows foil grips with this feature.

Buy an LP foil grip and put it on your epee. This is exactly how Santelli used to sell them (made w/LP parts and all).

DHCJr · 06-28-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HDG

Buy an LP foil grip and put it on your epee. This is exactly how Santelli used to sell them (made w/LP parts and all).

With most of the handles, that would be legal, because the paint could not hide a switch. This grip was never available when Santelli was around. If an Epeeist used this handle, it would be illegal.

Each of the three weapons have seperate rules. What is legal for one, may not be legal for another.

HDG · 06-28-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

With most of the handles, that would be legal, because the paint could not hide a switch. This grip was never available when Santelli was around. If an Epeeist used this handle, it would be illegal.

Each of the three weapons have seperate rules. What is legal for one, may not be legal for another.

I've learned a lot from you in the past, so could you explain why a Belgian grip with the textured paint would be illegal on an epee?

As an aside, I just looked at my Santelli catalog (I'm the sentimental sort, so I've kept it) and it shows an epee with precisely this grip (p.3). The epees I bought from them both had it, as, naturally did the foils.

Purple Fencer · 06-28-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HDG

I've learned a lot from you in the past, so could you explain why a Belgian grip with the textured paint would be illegal on an epee?

As an aside, I just looked at my Santelli catalog (I'm the sentimental sort, so I've kept it) and it shows an epee with precisely this grip (p.3). The epees I bought from them both had it, as, naturally did the foils.

I think it's the Golubitsky grip that's illegal in epee....the lower projection that is covered could hide a switch.

A simple textured paint coating couldn't hide a switch very easily...

HDG · 06-28-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

I think it's the Golubitsky grip that's illegal in epee....the lower projection that is covered could hide a switch.

A simple textured paint coating couldn't hide a switch very easily...

But the thread isn't about the snazzy new grip.

DHCJr · 06-28-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HDG

I've learned a lot from you in the past, so could you explain why a Belgian grip with the textured paint would be illegal on an epee?

As an aside, I just looked at my Santelli catalog (I'm the sentimental sort, so I've kept it) and it shows an epee with precisely this grip (p.3). The epees I bought from them both had it, as, naturally did the foils.

I belive you misread my post. I said the ones with the painted handles would be considered legal. The grip we have been talking about was not around when Santelli was in business, so they never put this handle on an Epee. We have been talking about a handle that has more than paint.

HDG · 06-28-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

I belive you misread my post. I said the ones with the painted handles would be considered legal. The grip we have been talking about was not around when Santelli was in business, so they never put this handle on an Epee. We have been talking about a handle that has more than paint.

I see my mistake; discussion switched over to the NEW Golubitsky grip and its attachment, when the original post (to which I was responding) was -- as best I can tell -- simply talking about the textured paint that LP uses on their foil grips. Sorry for the carelessness.

El Chucko · 06-28-2005, 11:02 PM

The grips that I am talking about, and linked to pictures of above, were available from Santelli as early as 1992. I was a sophomore in college, and I got my own electric foil for the first time from Santelli with that grip, which I have preferred ever since.

I have never seen the Golubitsky grip you mentioned.

I suppose Mr. Scott, or perhaps MacGyver, could engineer a switch that could be concealed in the textured enamel on my grips, but only once someone comes up with a unified field theory.

HDG · 06-29-2005, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by el chucko

The grips that I am talking about, and linked to pictures of above, were available from Santelli as early as 1992. I was a sophomore in college, and I got my own electric foil for the first time from Santelli with that grip, which I have preferred ever since.

I have never seen the Golubitsky grip you mentioned.

Ahhhh redemption.