06-26-2005, 09:52 PM
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| Visor Masks for Everyone!
This may be old news for some...but from the USFA today:
(Beginning with the Senior Worlds in October)
1 - ALL FENCERS IN ALL WEAPONS will be required to have the clear mask. Yes - this means Epee and Foil too. There will be vendors at nationals with these masks. You will not be able to fence with out them. For next season, they will be required for all weapons at Grand Prix competitions, all bouts, and team competitions, all bouts and all world championships (Cdt, Jr, Vet).
2 - ALL FENCERS IN ALL WEAPONS will be required to have the "starburst" country colors on BOTH legs. Next season this will be required at all senior world cups starting with the 64, at all Grand Prix competitions for the whole competition, and all team competitions for the whole competition, and all world championships (Cdt, Jr, Vet). Marx Enterprises will be at Summer Nationals and can add the national colors to your knickers.
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06-26-2005, 10:00 PM
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| By "all", I assume they mean "all fencing at the international level"? | 
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06-26-2005, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs By "all", I assume they mean "all fencing at the international level"? | None of these requirements have made it to the US National level, nor are they likely to. I could see the visors and graphics extended to all World Cup tournamets (eg. Junior) later on, though. Participation at Natioanl events (especially Div II/III) would plummet if everyone had to buy a brand new $150-$300 mask, regardless of how well his/her current mak is holding up!
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06-26-2005, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank Pratt None of these requirements have made it to the US National level, nor are they likely to. I could see the visors and graphics extended to all World Cup tournamets (eg. Junior) later on, though. Participation at Natioanl events (especially Div II/III) would plummet if everyone had to buy a brand new $150-$300 mask, regardless of how well his/her current mak is holding up! | Someone's selling an FIE-approved Lexan mask for $150? Send me the link!
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06-26-2005, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by drseudo Someone's selling an FIE-approved Lexan mask for $150? Send me the link! | Oops, my mistake. Unless you're willing to give Reverselunge's sugestion to an armourer for inspection  , you're going to easily fork over more than $200.
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06-26-2005, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank Pratt None of these requirements have made it to the US National level, nor are they likely to. | good!! 'cause i really really really like my prieur mask that i just bought. i can't stand those visor masks anyway. | |
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06-26-2005, 11:30 PM
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| hooray for making fencing even more expensive!
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06-26-2005, 11:35 PM
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| The cynic (and my natural self) in me knew this was coming..
But the optimist in me says: Perhaps this will drive the visor mask's cost down.
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06-26-2005, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge | I was thinking one of these, perhaps.
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06-27-2005, 12:08 AM
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| The FIE are a bunch of mother effers. They aren't interested in us fencers. Infact they do all the things we plead with them not to do. They don't care. They want to make more money off fencing and that's all.
There is no way in the world that a clear visor is as safe or safer than steal mesh. Fencers will have to die because of this new rule. | |
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06-27-2005, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge The FIE are a bunch of mother effers. They aren't interested in us fencers. Infact they do all the things we plead with them not to do. They don't care. They want to make more money off fencing and that's all.
There is no way in the world that a clear visor is as safe or safer than steal mesh. Fencers will have to die because of this new rule. | The USFA did not make the rule. The FIE did, actually this is a Roche Rule. He wants it. He is surrounded by yes men and he gets whatever he wants.....
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06-27-2005, 12:39 AM
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| The one thing that strikes me as weird is that Roche was elected to serve the fencers of the world. It seems as though he's only served spectators...this doesn't seem right. Damn you Fencing politics.
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06-27-2005, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RebelFencer The one thing that strikes me as weird is that Roche was elected to serve the fencers of the world. It seems as though he's only served spectators...this doesn't seem right. Damn you Fencing politics. | Then again, if you assume (as by no means you should, because it's probably wrong) that the visor masks are a good idea for spectators, then they should be a good idea for fencers too. Happier spectators --> more spectators --> more $$ --> more fencing.
Of course, no one's shown that spectators give a rip about the visors... and the first time that a broken blade punctures the Lexan and goes into someone's eye, I suspect Roch will suddenly run out of 'bright ideas.'
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06-27-2005, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by drseudo Then again, if you assume (as by no means you should, because it's probably wrong) that the visor masks are a good idea for spectators, then they should be a good idea for fencers too. Happier spectators --> more spectators --> more $$ --> more fencing.
Of course, no one's shown that spectators give a rip about the visors... and the first time that a broken blade punctures the Lexan and goes into someone's eye, I suspect Roch will suddenly run out of 'bright ideas.' | It is just too bad someone has to get seriously injured or die so that this rule can be stricken.
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06-27-2005, 01:21 AM
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| So these new visors beam a basic understanding of the principles of all three weapons into spectators?
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06-27-2005, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mo The USFA did not make the rule. The FIE did, actually this is a Roche Rule. He wants it. He is surrounded by yes men and he gets whatever he wants..... |
Where did I say USFA? The USFA are are a bunch of soccer moms. | |
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06-27-2005, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo This may be old news for some...but from the USFA today:
(Beginning with the Senior Worlds in October)
1 - ALL FENCERS IN ALL WEAPONS will be required to have the clear mask. Yes - this means Epee and Foil too. There will be vendors at nationals with these masks. You will not be able to fence with out them. | This was very poorly written. By what you wrote, which I quoted the first part, you are implying that they will be required at Nationals. It does not matter if at the bottom you talk about them being required at international competitions after Lepzig, but it does not say that what you wrote above is wrong.
I am going to shout anytime I see anyone giving scare stories, that fencers will be required to get new equipment, when they don't. This sport is expensive enough. I know negative points can't be given for post anymore, which is a good thing, but you should have gotten some for this.
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06-27-2005, 04:34 AM
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| I must be on Capt. Slo-mo's wavelength because I understand him/her (  ) completely.
The first paragragh says "from this year's senior worlds (October)" - so you know nothing will happen until October. Then after each point, Slo-mo says which competitions each rule is applicable at... providing you read the whole post, it is perfectly understandable.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo This may be old news for some...but from the USFA today:
(Beginning with the Senior Worlds in October)
1 - ALL FENCERS IN ALL WEAPONS will be required to have the clear mask. Yes - this means Epee and Foil too. There will be vendors at nationals with these masks. You will not be able to fence with out them. For next season, they will be required for all weapons at Grand Prix competitions, all bouts, and team competitions, all bouts and all world championships (Cdt, Jr, Vet). | | |
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06-27-2005, 10:51 AM
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| I stand by what I said. Look at the title 'Visor Masks for Everyone!'. If he had done like the USFA did 'World Cup Requirements', I would agree.
It is not for EVERYONE.
This is an expensive sport, inappropriate scare tactics that MAY cause others to buy something they should not buy, I won't tollerate. You may think it is all right. You have the right to your oppinion, but remember these things.
People read from top to bottom.
Some have a short attention span and will not read everything carefully.
I do put some blame on my post. In rereading it, I should have made suggestions on how they could have done better. If they had the title as 'World Cup Requirements or stated the USFA has announced requirements for World Cup, that I would have applauded.
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