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Shpaga · 07-16-2002, 10:11 AM

Is this an accurate tally of NCAA schools?

Also -- does NYU offer scholarships? In that case they would not be Div. III.

Division III (no athletic scholarships -- except those with *)
Top five (2002 - NCAA results)

1.NYU (#11 Div. I)
2.MIT (#17 Div. I)
3.Brandeis University (#18 Div. I)
4.Johns Hopkins (#21 Div. I)
5.Drew University (#24 Div. I)

others:

Wayne State (Div II) *
Bard College
Baruch College
Cal Tech
Case Western Reserve
CCNY
Haverford
Hollins College (women)
Hunter
Lawrence
Lafayette (coed team)
Mary Baldwin College (women)
New Jersey Institute of Technology
Sacred Heart University
Stevens Tech.
UC San Diego
Sweet Briar College
Tufts (Women)
Vassar
Yeshiva
Cal State Fullerton (Div II)*

Division I (athletic scholarships available) (2002-NCAA)

1. Pennsylvania State University
2. St. John's University (NYC)
3. Notre Dame
4. Ohio State University
5. Columbia/Barnard
6. T Stanford University
6. T Yale University
8. Princeton University
9. Pennsylvania, University of
10. Rutgers University

Others:

Air Force
Boston College
Brown
Cleveland State
Cornell (Women)
Detroit Mercy
Duke
Farleigh Dickinson University (Women's)
Harvard
James Madison University (women)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Northwestern (women)

Emfuser · 07-16-2002, 10:56 AM

No... there are many more.

Granted, of that many, most are clubs (I just finished 5 years at Purdue fencing with the club).

mifencer · 07-16-2002, 11:05 AM

Wayne State is now a div I school. Wayne State and Detroit/Mercy can give out full scholarships.

As for clubs teams, I don't think they're considered a varsity team and therefore cannot be represented in the NCAA Championships. And more importantly, cannot give out scholarships.

It's been a while, so I could be wrong. (but doubt it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )

epeemike81 · 07-16-2002, 11:23 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Emfuser:
No... there are many more.

Granted, of that many, most are clubs (I just finished 5 years at Purdue fencing with the club).<hr /></blockquote>If they are clubs, they do not belong on a list of NCAA programs.....

however, I agree with what I perceive to be your main point, which is that there are good fencing programs which are NOT varsity, including but not limited to UMass, Tufts (Men), Smith (women only, obviously), U Florida, and MSU. however, to my knowledge, clubs do not offer scholarships.

-m

Steaksauce Punk · 07-16-2002, 11:30 AM

NYU is Div I in fencing only. Ivy Leagues (Yale, Harvard, Princeton, U Penn, Columbia, etc.) don't offer athletic scholarships although fencing is a Division I program at many of these schools.

epeemike81 · 07-16-2002, 11:37 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mifencer:
Wayne State is now a div I school. Wayne State and Detroit/Mercy can give out full scholarships.

As for clubs teams, I don't think they're considered a varsity team and therefore cannot be represented in the NCAA Championships. And more importantly, cannot give out scholarships.

It's been a while, so I could be wrong. (but doubt it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )<hr /></blockquote>While it is true that clubs cannot represent at NCAA championships, the majority of fencing which ANY college team does, varsity or not, comes in various local conferences. in the New England area, for example, there is the NFC, NECCFL, and NEIFA. Clearly, that is without considering some of the wider ranging conferences which include clubs, like MACFA and NIWFA. UMass, for example, last year fenced Vassar, Bard, CCNY, Harvard, Brandeis, BC, Brown, Wellesley, Tufts (women), Johns Hopkins, and MIT, all of which are varsity programs. So as not to slight anybody, I will also list the clubs we fenced: Smith, UNH, Dartmouth, Tufts (men), WPI, BU.

In addition, starting next year, there is going to be a national club championship as well (to be hosted next year by U. Florida Gainsville).

So, just because clubs don't go to NCAA's doesn't mean there aren't great opportunities for fencing at those schools.

-m

epeemike81 · 07-16-2002, 11:40 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Steaksauce Punk:
NYU is Div I in fencing only. Ivy Leagues (Yale, Harvard, Princeton, U Penn, Columbia, etc.) don't offer athletic scholarships although fencing is a Division I program at many of these schools.<hr /></blockquote>The original post is correct that Div III schools do not offer scholarships for sports either. it is not just the Ivy league which doesn't. However, both Ivy League and Div. III will consider extracurriculars when deciding who to give merit scholarships to. (wink, wink, nod, nod)

-m

Peach · 07-16-2002, 12:12 PM

Agreed -- Div III coaches may have some voice in who receives merit scholarships, but they do not control the outcome and they can't guarantee anything. So if someone is going to a Div III school and is looking for a merit scholarship they'd better have other "merits" besides fencing.

[ 07-16-2002, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: Peach ]

Shpaga · 07-16-2002, 08:37 PM

Yeah....hmmm...

NYU according to the NCAA is Div. III... so they better _NOT_ be giving out athletic scholarships, or they're liable to be punished by the NCAA gods...

I think it's ok if the coach can recommend scholarships (like in Ms. Turner's case).
But I think it's against NCAA policy for a coach to actually offer money of any kind (in Div. III). Hopkins and Brandeis offer merit scholarsips (probably NYU does too), but I'm not sure about MIT or Drew. Ivies can bend the rules more about athletic scholarships, since they're still Div. I. (and it would be ok -- or heh LESS bad if they did give their fencers a little money).

epeemike81 · 07-16-2002, 08:59 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shpaga:
Ivies can bend the rules more about athletic scholarships, since they're still Div. I. (and it would be ok -- or heh LESS bad if they did give their fencers a little money).<hr /></blockquote>Ahh, but you are forgetting about Ivy League Arrogance! they are above athletic scholarships... so, they will NEVER give one out.

-m

damianip · 07-17-2002, 05:15 AM

In case no one already did this, you can get a full list of NCAA sponsoring schools from the NCAA site:

<a href="https://goomer.ncaa.org/ows-bin/rwcgi60?p_sport_institution" target="_blank">https://goomer.ncaa.org/ows-bin/rwcgi60?p_sport_institution</a>

But don't forget the other schools that aren't in the NCAA.

Paolo

[ 07-17-2002, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: damianip ]