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Purple Fencer · 06-22-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen

I've seen it and it's a ribbon.

I wasn't sure...I suppose it doesn't leave enough of a ridge to catch the point.

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Thank's for sharing your views, it was interesting reading.

Well...I started out seriously, but some of the designs just started loending themselves to commentary!

mrbiggs · 06-22-2005, 08:07 PM

I think that's the croquit of the design. It's not what's actually going to be seen on the breeches. You surely wouldn't write on your breeches that this is your national logo. Possibly, Algeria (really, this is a huge assumption without having taken the time to check) has just never fenced on this level and weren't ready to provide the FIE with a finished picture.
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I know. I think that the colors are reasonably obvious from the colors, though.

downunder · 06-22-2005, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauli

Possibly, Algeria (really, this is a huge assumption without having taken the time to check) has just never fenced on this level and weren't ready to provide the FIE with a finished picture.

they had a mens sabre team at the olympics, as well as 4 other fencers qualified individually. Let alone fencers doing world cups and world championships - I think it is an amazingly unfair assumption.

cowpaste · 06-23-2005, 01:48 AM

Wow, my friend in Thailand is the one that designed the Thai logo. She used some typical Thai patterns to decorate her own jacket, and her teammates thought it was cool so they made it official.

LUDICROUS · 06-23-2005, 02:14 AM

Hmm... the silver fern.

The silver fern is one of the sporting icons of the country, it's on most uniforms. Our teams almost ALWAYS wear a combination of black on white, or white on black (the international teams). The fern is a symbol of the country (I suppose), and the NZ netball team is called "The Silver Ferns." The rugby team is the "All Blacks", the football is the "All Whites", and so on. There's a bit of controversy, because the badminton team want to call themselves the "Black Cocks"

I don't think much of a black fern on the side of the breeches, but whatever.

Possible Maori design on the breeches? I wouldn't agree with that. Personally I think doing the haka and such like makes us look like a bunch of uneducated buffoons.

The best example I can think of was a rather large, quite ceremonial diplomatic visit to Japan a while ago. Their customs go back a long time, they put on a sophisticated cultural show, etc....And what do we do? Have a bunch of muscly guys in no shirts, skirts made of reeds, waving Maori weapons of war while yelling, pointing their tongues and performing a war dance.

Still don't get why we do that.

Possible alternatives: A kiwi in front of crossed swords. We have a black kiwi on all our military stuff in Iraq (not that there's much there), looks fine with me.

KD5MDK · 06-23-2005, 06:37 AM

The haka is all about saying "I'm gonna keel yew". Suitable for rugby games, not for most diplomatic relations.

downunder · 06-23-2005, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

The haka is all about saying "I'm gonna keel yew". Suitable for rugby games, not for most diplomatic relations.

its actually a song about life and death, its not a war dance.

veeco · 06-23-2005, 08:51 AM

I don't know what the history is behind the haka, but I find it kinda cool. I also like NZ's design on the fencing breeches.

For me the best ones are all the Asian (China, Thailand, HK, etc.) and the Middle Eastern designs (Jordan, Irak, Israel...).

I also love like everyone else Brazil's.

Re: PurpleFencer's comments - Cuba has no funding whatsoever for their sports teams, so they got Adidas to foot the bill. Not quite responsible for a communist country with such ideas of grandeur, but at least it gets the athletes out of the country every once in a while, and they can fence. France's design is not the same as Cuba's, and has nothing to do with Adidas (except for the Olympic design which was the same as everyone else). I agree it's not too original, but at least we invented the tricolor design ;-)

Symon · 06-23-2005, 12:10 PM

.....And as ussual the GBR strip is as about as dull as dish water obvious no one at the BFA as any artistic talent!!!

..must say that congo design rocks!!!

telkanuru · 06-23-2005, 12:22 PM

Is it just me, or do the designs from Cuba, the US, and France all look the same?

Purple Fencer · 06-23-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by telkanuru

Is it just me, or do the designs from Cuba, the US, and France all look the same?

Cuba and France yes....the stars on the USA logo breaks that mold, tho...

telkanuru · 06-23-2005, 12:56 PM

Hm. It seems that the US logo used at the olympics is not the official one...

DHCJr · 06-23-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by telkanuru

Is it just me, or do the designs from Cuba, the US, and France all look the same?

It's just you, at least as far as the US is concerned. Neither the Cuban or the French cross over the other stripes and as Sam said there is the star. What you said is like saying the Irac and the US flags are the same because they have stripes and stars.

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Hm. It seems that the US logo used at the olympics is not the official one...

Your wrong there also. The logo used by the members of the US logo used at the olympics was the official one for the olympics. The countries that were sending fencers to the Olympics were required to submit what the logo was going to be for the Olympics. Some countries, just used their World Championship logos. The US had a special one for those who made the Olympics. There was on the FIE website a document the same as the one above that showed the Olympic logos. You can find it discussed in another thread.

Purple Fencer · 06-23-2005, 02:40 PM

I think I remember Jr. D'Asaro saying the flag coming out of the U in USA on the lame was reserved for US Olympians...

DHCJr · 06-23-2005, 02:43 PM

Actually, it was for anyone who made any of the U.S. teams. But the FIE banned anything on the back except for BLOCK letters. It makes you wonder about the flags on the back.

oso97 · 06-23-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

Actually, it was for anyone who made any of the U.S. teams. But the FIE banned anything on the back except for BLOCK letters. It makes you wonder about the flags on the back.

European's are exempt of course...

Pauli · 06-25-2005, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by downunder

they had a mens sabre team at the olympics, as well as 4 other fencers qualified individually. Let alone fencers doing world cups and world championships - I think it is an amazingly unfair assumption.

It was a neutral assumption of a fencer who joined the sport only little over 6 months ago, who works (jobwise) 150%, who hasn't really had the time so far to get too much into fencing as far as reading about history, passed competitions, etc. etc. etc. Therefore the note in the brackets.....

Amazingly unfair assumption: pls apologize for not taking the time in research before putting the assumption down in writing in writing and thank you for your precise clarification.

downunder · 06-25-2005, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pauli

It was a neutral assumption of a fencer who joined the sport only little over 6 months ago, who works (jobwise) 150%, who hasn't really had the time so far to get too much into fencing as far as reading about history, passed competitions, etc. etc. etc. Therefore the note in the brackets.....

Amazingly unfair assumption: pls apologize for not taking the time in research before putting the assumption down in writing in writing and thank you for your precise clarification.

noted, still i think the algerians would be proud of qualification, even through africa, and you did write them off quickly.

Pauli · 06-25-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by downunder

noted, still i think the algerians would be proud of qualification, even through africa, and you did write them off quickly.

Oh now, please.......