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| 2008 Olympic Team
Just out of curiousity, who do you project in each weapon to be on the 2008 olympic team? individual event? Here more or less are my guesses for sabre...
WST: Sada Jacobson, Becca Ward, Mariel Zagunis
MST: Mike Momstelidze, Ivan Lee, Jason Rogers
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06-21-2005, 02:30 PM
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| MF: Dupree, tiomkin, and kellner, with horanyi as the alternate
WF: Cross, Nemecek, H Thompson, and Doris Willette (It really all depends on what happens with Erin and Iris)
MS: Ivan Lee, Ben Igoe, Jason Rogers and Adam Crompton
WS: Ward, Sada, and Mariel (unless some other 14 year old prodigy should arise...)
ME: Bratton, Thompson, Solomon, and Kelsey
WE: I honestly don't know, because so much is up in the air. Probably both Hurleys, as it seems like they put more resources into fencing than anyone else.
Most of these are shots in the dark....
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06-21-2005, 02:38 PM
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| ME: Erbele, Bratton, Rivera, Mattern
WE: Both Hurleys, French and Burt
WS: Zagunis, Ward, Sada and Vloka
WF: Cross, Iris, Smart, Willette
MF: Horanyi, Chinman, Getz
MS: No, damn, clue
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06-21-2005, 02:53 PM
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| dunno bout most of em... but for women's epee: kelly hurley, franceca bassa, tess finkel, kerry walton, and me??? weird cause 2 of the 4 i have talked to B4 through email and 3 of the 4 I have fenced. | |
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06-21-2005, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sabresque Just out of curiousity, who do you project in each weapon to be on the 2008 olympic team? individual event? Here more or less are my guesses for sabre...
WST: Sada Jacobson, Becca Ward, Mariel Zagunis
MST: Mike Momstelidze, Ivan Lee, Jason Rogers | Unless things change, there won't be a Women's Sabre, nor a Women's Foil team competition, so there won't be 3 fencers for either of them.
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06-21-2005, 04:35 PM
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| There could be. We had 3 qual for ws this olympics. | |
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06-21-2005, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr Unless things change, there won't be a Women's Sabre, nor a Women's Foil team competition, so there won't be 3 fencers for either of them. | It rotates every olympics, so I think WS and WF team are guarenteed to be there. The question, is which 2 other team events are gonna miss out in 2008? | |
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06-21-2005, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! MF: Horanyi, Chinman, Getz | I think your predictions are way off. I don't think our current Men's Jnr Foil team will be the new olympic team.
The current national team (Tiomkin, Dupree, and Kellner) has pretty much dominated mens foil fencing ever since Cliff Bayer retired after the 2000 olympics. Tiomkin-Dupree-Kellner competed in the the 2004 olympics, and they continue to train. None of them have hinted at retirement yet, so unless some of them retire, I think it's safe to say our MF team in 2008 will still be Tiomkin, Dupree, and Kellner. And yes, they are THAT much better than everyone else right now that it could take more than 3 years of training for anyone to catch up. Just look at the rolling point standings: Kellner-9,218 Tiomkin-6,036 Dupree- 4,316 and the closest runnerup is Horanyi with 2505. The bigger question is who will take that 4th spot in 2008.
Personally, I have my money on Gabe Sinkin.
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06-21-2005, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheCat263 It rotates every olympics, so I think WS and WF team are guarenteed to be there. The question, is which 2 other team events are gonna miss out in 2008? | Who says? Certainly not the IOC. It doesn't matter what the FIE says. One of the items that came back from the IOC was you will NOT be able to rotate at will. It is possible that the FIE will ask permission to change the events for the next Olympics and the IOC will agree, but I am not going to hold my breath. There is no guarantee! Quote: |
Originally Posted by afc fencer There could be. We had 3 qual for ws this olympics. | Didn't you know Murial came from Africa, not North America. The only reason this happened was some back room politicing to have the qualifier from Africa drop out and Murial just happened to be the highest ranking of those not picked. I don't see it happening a second time and as I said above, I don't see there being a sabre team competition for the ladies.
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06-21-2005, 05:43 PM
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| Will there even be a women's foil and women's saber team event in 2008? I guess you can discuss the possible members of the team for the World Championships in WFT and WST for 2008 (if those are the ones not included in the Olympics).
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06-21-2005, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheCat263 Personally, I have my money on Gabe Sinkin. | what about meyers?? | |
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06-21-2005, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr Who says? Certainly not the IOC. It doesn't matter what the FIE says. One of the items that came back from the IOC was you will NOT be able to rotate at will. It is possible that the FIE will ask permission to change the events for the next Olympics and the IOC will agree, but I am not going to hold my breath. There is no guarantee!
Didn't you know Murial came from Africa, not North America. The only reason this happened was some back room politicing to have the qualifier from Africa drop out and Murial just happened to be the highest ranking of those not picked. I don't see it happening a second time and as I said above, I don't see there being a sabre team competition for the ladies. | France had three for ws. Look up the qual path. People in the top 8 are all qualified with a max of 2 per country. Then the top finisher of people not already qualified in their zone can go, with a max of one per country. Look it up.
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06-21-2005, 07:47 PM
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| I meant for this to be predictions, it doesn't matter whether or not there will actually be an event.
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06-21-2005, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sabresque I meant for this to be predictions, it doesn't matter whether or not there will actually be an event. | If there isn't going to be an event, wouldn't the best prediction be that nobody will go? 
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06-21-2005, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by glowstix what about meyers?? | As someone who fences brendan on a consistent basis, I've learned this about him. The new timings hurt him more than anyone else - his intuition on the strip is still to flick. Nevertheless, he's still quite good, but unless he starts working as hard as he was before, I don't see him as the 4th in 2008. So many other people have potential and are in a much better position right now than he is. | |
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06-21-2005, 10:10 PM
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| Just for kicks, I predict myself for women's epee team. | |
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06-22-2005, 12:29 AM
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| DFP: You really think caroline vloka will qualify for WS?
Why?
For WS I'd put it at: Mariel Zagunis, Becca Ward, and Daria Schneider.
MS has to be Ivan Lee, and...from there it's pretty open ended. I'd like to see mike momtselidze, and I think at least one of him, crompton, and rogers will make it if not more. Pat Ghattas and Ben Igoe have a good chance as well.
MF I would expect at least one of the current trio to drop off or be over taken. Tiompkin will still be there I think, and if the three of them keep training hard/together they could certainly make it. But kelner is the oldest by a fair margine and there are some good upcoming juniors. They will certainly continue to dominate up thru this quadrennial, but whether all three of them can make it back to the games for 08 remains to be seen.
WE as mentioned is pretty tumultuous it seems, same with WF. I don't know enough about ME/the future of it to really make a prediction.
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06-22-2005, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by whtouche DFP: You really think caroline vloka will qualify for WS?
Why?
For WS I'd put it at: Mariel Zagunis, Becca Ward, and Daria Schneider. | I would ask you the same question. Where is the most stable and consistant member of the Women's Sabre team? Where is the one Lady who has been ranked #1 and is currently #1? I of course mean Sada!
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06-22-2005, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by whtouche DFP: You really think caroline vloka will qualify for WS?
Why?
For WS I'd put it at: Mariel Zagunis, Becca Ward, and Daria Schneider.
MS has to be Ivan Lee, and...from there it's pretty open ended. I'd like to see mike momtselidze, and I think at least one of him, crompton, and rogers will make it if not more. Pat Ghattas and Ben Igoe have a good chance as well.
MF I would expect at least one of the current trio to drop off or be over taken. Tiompkin will still be there I think, and if the three of them keep training hard/together they could certainly make it. But kelner is the oldest by a fair margine and there are some good upcoming juniors. They will certainly continue to dominate up thru this quadrennial, but whether all three of them can make it back to the games for 08 remains to be seen.
WE as mentioned is pretty tumultuous it seems, same with WF. I don't know enough about ME/the future of it to really make a prediction. | My reason for the vloka prediction is simply time. In 3 years, she'll mature alot, get stronger, smarter, yadda yadda. Its a shot in the wind though.
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06-22-2005, 10:18 AM
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| 2008 Olympic Team
MF - Tiomkin, Dupree, Kellner alt: not Horanyi, Goetz or Sinkin. Possible: Meyers
WF - no team event - individual: Cross
ME - Mattern, Kelsey, Bratton - Alt: Viviani (Thompson will retire due to injury)
WE - no team qualified-individual: K Hurley (the elder)
MS - Lee, Smart, Crompton Alt: Rodgers
WS - no team event - individual: Zagunis, S. Jacobson | |
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