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glowstix · 05-28-2005, 04:21 PM

i was just wondering if there is anything in the rule book that prohibits the use of transparent tape on the barrel covering the slot where the tip screws are (i.e. if they fall out of the tip, they'll still be trapped by the tape). i'm really sick of them coming..

howtobrew · 05-28-2005, 05:05 PM

How come they are coming out? I have had four epees now that have never had this problem. Are they German point or French point?

Zilverzmurfen · 05-28-2005, 05:18 PM

LocTite --- your friend in need!

great bowyer · 05-28-2005, 05:51 PM

i tried the loctite solution, the only problem i had is that is hard to get the right amount on the little screws and to get the screws in without getting the loctite in the barrel. for me my tips always got gummed up to the point where i was not confident using my weapon. i have discovered that if i only tighten them so much they are less likely to come out. now i almost never loose a screw, maybe only one a month while fencing 2-3 times a week. also when i ordered about ten bags of the screws, i noticed they stopped coming out as well.

DHCJr · 05-28-2005, 05:57 PM

There is nothing specifically in the rules to forbid it, but you might want to look at T.68.g. Have you ever hit tips and one or more went off. If that happened T.68.g. should be applied giving your opponent a touch.

There is a second reason, it would not be smart to do that. The tape since the screws in that design are supposed to move, the tape if it got pressed could interfere with the movement of those tips and the ability to get a touch or to pass the weight test.

A trick most Armorers use is to use Leon Paul screws for slightly stripped tips. The problem is once you do that, you will not be able to use German or French screws in that tip ever again. So you should be able to distinguish between them before you do that, so you know what you have.

kalivor · 05-28-2005, 06:28 PM

Go screwless.

fixxmyweapon · 05-28-2005, 09:14 PM

yeah, the screwless epee tips are nice. the foil ones on the other hand- not so hot.

rmyounis · 05-28-2005, 10:02 PM

At the last tournament I went to, I tried to use LockTite to keep the tip barrel tight, and ended up gluing my tip spring solid. It took about three touches before I realized what had happened

kalivor · 05-29-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fixxmyweapon

yeah, the screwless epee tips are nice. the foil ones on the other hand- not so hot.

What's wrong with the foil ones -- I put one on one of my foils a few months ago to try out, and am liking it enough that I'm planning to switch over. Is there something I'm missing?

fixxmyweapon · 05-29-2005, 11:20 AM

if you like them and they work for you, sure, then go for it. my school experimented with some after the season was over because we cant keep track of screws, esp. epee. it seemed that with the screwless foil tip, you had to hit harder to make it go off and sometimes it just wouldent go off at all. we played with the old timings with this as well, to see if it was just our slow persons but it was the same result. i wish i remember who made them...i dont think it was leon paul....anywho, i'm just not a fan of them with what i have played with and seen.

Spike327 · 05-29-2005, 12:45 PM

I was part of the screwless-epee experiment there, I didn't like the one I tried very much because the contact spring seemed to become kinked very easily. It could have just been a nasty spring, but since you can spin a screwless epee tip like a regular foil tip the result was that at certain points the tip worked while rotating the tip about a quarter of a turn would cause it to go dead. Nasty problem to have, I didn't like it so much.

Mr Epee · 05-31-2005, 10:31 AM

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epee tip screws..I HATE THEM!!!

Don't worry about it -- THEY HATE YOU TOO!!!

I'm serious!

Imagine getting spun down into a claustraphobic little hole and then flown and slammed around in the world's most violent rollercoaster ride.

Once the nausea subsided, I'd bail on you too!

No, screw you buddy!
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Tip screws are a fact of life. Yes they bail, but it's usually not their fault; either they aren't the right kind, the screw threads are stripped, the tip threads are stripped, or you aren't getting them in right... and SOMETIMES bad batches of screws get made - and there ain't much you can do about it.

The difference between and expensive tip screw and a cheap one is $0.10 max, so go with the good ones and if they still fall out replace the tip.

DON'T GO SCREWLESS!!!

remise · 05-31-2005, 02:23 PM

Glowstix -

Look at this thread...http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17679

I had the exact problem. CvilleFencer solved it, and saved a lot of money for our men's epee team!