knee position in guard and pain.

[magni]

Hey folks.

A few questions. In the guard is one to be more back weighted or front
weighted? or in the middle?

The reason I ask is that my left(rear) leg will occasionally have a
sharp twinge just below the patella on the right side while Im on
guard. especially after a hard session of footwork.

I also feel as if my left knee is weak... especially if Im back
weighted. What can I do?

In addition my legs feel like a ton of bricks. AND they are very...
VERY tight. The quads especially. and especially on the left legs as it
inserts the knee. My legs always felt more springy than this. What can
i do to bring back the bouncy spring I used to have? Im only 31!!!!
:-((

I feel my goal of winning div 2 foil at a nac or summer natl's omeday
has done slipped away.. replaced by a heavy lump of **** shaped like my
legs! :-(

Im looking for both systemic and local types of advice... from shoe
changes to workouts and stretching exercises...also if anyone knows
where I can by a heavy dosage of the fountain of youth let me know!
>From your two cents to hundred dollar bills... let your advice fly.

Yours Truly,

Magni

[Zebee Johnstone]

In rec.sport.fencing on 7 May 2005 22:59:32 -0700
magni <michael_lichtstrom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
> A few questions. In the guard is one to be more back weighted or front
> weighted? or in the middle?
>
> The reason I ask is that my left(rear) leg will occasionally have a
> sharp twinge just below the patella on the right side while Im on
> guard. especially after a hard session of footwork.
>

I usually get that when I an recovering from a lunge.

It's because I'm not recovering properly, I'l twisting the knee as I
recover.

Didn't know what the hell it was for ages until a visiting fencing
master spotted me doing it.

Might be an idea to find someone really really hot on proper form, and
get them to watch you doing the footwork to spot if you are doing things
you shouldn't.

Needs to be someone who knows exactly what to look for. And preferably
who can explain how to do it properly!

Check your rear leg is properly over your foot, not falling in. And
that when you do footwork you aren't twisting it to move your body back
which is what I was doing when recovering from a lunge.

Zebee

[trebuchet]

> In the guard is one to be more back weighted or front
> weighted? or in the middle?

Which weapon do you fence?

My current ( sabre )coach is a Korfanty disciple, and he has me in a
forward stance, weight mostly over the front leg. A past coach had me
almost wholly on the back leg. Both work, though in different ways.

The other weapons, which don't rely on speed and distance games as much
as sabre, probably benefit more from a centered stance, but that's just
an assumption---I don't do foil or epee. Seems to me that all the
bouncing that epeeists do and the fact that legs and feet are target
would make shifting the center of gravity either forward or back
counterproductive, though. And the long foil lunge strikes me as
wanting a centered stance as well.






> The reason I ask is that my left(rear) leg will occasionally have a
> sharp twinge just below the patella on the right side while Im on
> guard. especially after a hard session of footwork.
> In addition my legs feel like a ton of bricks. AND they are very...
> VERY tight. The quads especially. and especially on the left legs as
it
> inserts the knee.

Have you seen a doctor? An orthopedist or a sports medicine specialist?
Advice on the internet is all very well, but the first step with
chronic pain like this is to make sure there's no underlying medical
problem.

[Piet Wauters]

I fully agree "trebuchet".
About 8 years ago I suffered from a chronic pain in my hip, which was worse
after a good fencing training.
After months of pain I finally discovered I had bone cancer.
So if the pain lasts longer than a couple of weeks, especially after some
time of rest, I have only one advice: visit a doctor. If it turns out there
is no medical reason for worries, look at your technique.
"trebuchet" <trebuchet30303@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
news:1115565691.602678.208240@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>> In the guard is one to be more back weighted or front
>> weighted? or in the middle?
>
> Which weapon do you fence?
>
> My current ( sabre )coach is a Korfanty disciple, and he has me in a
> forward stance, weight mostly over the front leg. A past coach had me
> almost wholly on the back leg. Both work, though in different ways.
>
> The other weapons, which don't rely on speed and distance games as much
> as sabre, probably benefit more from a centered stance, but that's just
> an assumption---I don't do foil or epee. Seems to me that all the
> bouncing that epeeists do and the fact that legs and feet are target
> would make shifting the center of gravity either forward or back
> counterproductive, though. And the long foil lunge strikes me as
> wanting a centered stance as well.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> The reason I ask is that my left(rear) leg will occasionally have a
>> sharp twinge just below the patella on the right side while Im on
>> guard. especially after a hard session of footwork.
>> In addition my legs feel like a ton of bricks. AND they are very...
>> VERY tight. The quads especially. and especially on the left legs as
> it
>> inserts the knee.
>
> Have you seen a doctor? An orthopedist or a sports medicine specialist?
> Advice on the internet is all very well, but the first step with
> chronic pain like this is to make sure there's no underlying medical
> problem.
>

[rmyounis]

I'm either centered or forwards, depending on how I'm approaching the bout. If I'm feeling flechey, then forwards

[Joseph Kormann]

magni wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
> A few questions. In the guard is one to be more back weighted or front
> weighted? or in the middle?

For form in Foil, I was always taught centered unless you're doing
something that requires a "lean" like fletche or the like. Imagine a 3rd
leg coming out of your spine. Leg muscles should be tense or compressed,
ready to spring into action.

I'm not a sports doctor, nor do I pretend to be. I'll echo Zeebee's
advice and find the person in your club who's all about form. Have them
check you out and give a couple of practices under their suggestions.
Having said that, check with a sports doctor. Maybe some physical
therapy is in order to relieve strain in one muscle.

-Joseph

[Sarah Morgan]

magni wrote:

> Hey folks.
>
> A few questions. In the guard is one to be more back weighted or front
> weighted? or in the middle?

Your guard can be weighted however you like, however if it's not your liking
you can rebalance it using lead tape (see Leon Paul site).

Of course, if you're actually talking about your en garde position...

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[Martin J. Green]

"Joseph Kormann" <ajkormann@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> For form in Foil, I was always taught centered unless you're doing
> something that requires a "lean" like fletche or the like. Imagine a 3rd
> leg coming out of your spine. Leg muscles should be tense or compressed,
> ready to spring into action.

No, no no no. You're en garde should *never* lean. Your weight should be
centred, else you footwork will be impaired on whichever foot your on
leaning on. Nor should your muscles be tensed either, which will also impair
your footwork, they should be relaxed but ready to spring into action,
making your footwork fast and flowing.

And don't lean on a fleche either. It should be one smooth movement
forwards.

mmk?

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Martin J. Green
mail (at) martinjgreen.me.uk

[Martin J. Green]

"Piet Wauters" <piet.wauters1@pandora.be> wrote in message
news:S%tfe.85593$Sy4.5187698@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
>I fully agree "trebuchet".
> About 8 years ago I suffered from a chronic pain in my hip, which was
> worse after a good fencing training.
> After months of pain I finally discovered I had bone cancer.
> So if the pain lasts longer than a couple of weeks, especially after some
> time of rest, I have only one advice: visit a doctor. If it turns out
> there is no medical reason for worries, look at your technique.

don't top post!

[Martin J. Green]

"magni" <michael_lichtstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1115531972.906056.296560@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...

> In addition my legs feel like a ton of bricks. AND they are very...
> VERY tight. The quads especially. and especially on the left legs as it
> inserts the knee. My legs always felt more springy than this. What can
> i do to bring back the bouncy spring I used to have? Im only 31!!!!

You need to work on your footwork