05-06-2005, 01:27 PM
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| Logic 101
Let us assume AUT is a University.
2150km from AUT in Port Douglas, Queensland, there are many crocodiles.
Crocodiles are wider than they are green:
Let's look at the crocodile. It is wide on the top and on the bottom, but it is green only on the top. Therefore, the crocodile is wider than it is green.
Crocodiles are greener than they are long:
Let's look at the crocodile. It is green along its length and width, but it is long only along its length. Therefore, the crocodile is greener than it is long.
Since crocodiles are wider than they are green, and greener than they are long, it follows that a crocodile must be wider than it is long.
Experimental evidence contradicts this proof. As this proof has been contradicted, the initial assumption must be false. Therefore AUT is not a University. | 
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05-06-2005, 01:29 PM
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| exam stress? | |
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05-06-2005, 01:30 PM
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| Just a little. | |
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05-06-2005, 01:31 PM
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05-06-2005, 01:50 PM
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| Your final proposition:
Since crocodiles are wider than they are green, and greener than they are long, it follows that a crocodile must be wider than it is long.
Cannot be assumed from what you have said previously in your argument. The crocodile is long both on top and bottom, so I would say its greenness is equal to its length. Further I would argue whether crocodiles are really green at all. What if they are blue and we merely percieve them as green? But then if what we percieve is reality, than crocodiles really are green. However, what we percieve is obviously not reality, because our eyes are not perfect instruments. So maybe crocodiles really are blue after all.  | |
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05-06-2005, 01:52 PM
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| If they're actually blue, does that make them smaller?
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05-06-2005, 01:53 PM
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| well if you whisper in their ears they may tell you. | |
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05-06-2005, 01:54 PM
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| Should probably paint the ears green, then - they're pretty hard to find.
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05-06-2005, 02:16 PM
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| no no see there they are, just lean a little closer. Thats it. | |
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05-06-2005, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by telkanuru Let us assume AUT is a University.
2150km from AUT in Port Douglas, Queensland, there are many crocodiles.
Crocodiles are wider than they are green:
Let's look at the crocodile. It is wide on the top and on the bottom, but it is green only on the top. Therefore, the crocodile is wider than it is green.
Crocodiles are greener than they are long:
Let's look at the crocodile. It is green along its length and width, but it is long only along its length. Therefore, the crocodile is greener than it is long.
Since crocodiles are wider than they are green, and greener than they are long, it follows that a crocodile must be wider than it is long.
Experimental evidence contradicts this proof. As this proof has been contradicted, the initial assumption must be false. Therefore AUT is not a University. | Crocodiles are longer than they are green, since crocodiles are long on the top and on the bottom, but only green on the top.
I just forgot where I was going and why ... who cares if AUT is a University anyway!
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05-06-2005, 02:50 PM
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| The initial assumptions are (1) there is such a thing as a crocodile, (2) it is wide on the top and on the bottom, and (3) it is green only on the top.
All statements made prior to this are not part of the argument.
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05-06-2005, 03:12 PM
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| 1) Crocodiles are always green on top
2) Bubba here is green on top
3) Bubba is a crocodile | |
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05-06-2005, 09:38 PM
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| Ah, yes, but the only real truth that we can be sure about is that we are doubting. So as long as we doubt we exist. Crocodiles are perceived though sensory experience, and since our senses can be deceiving us the crocodiles might not exist, but we know we exist because we are doubting the crocodile. Unless we can conceive of the idea of crocodile though our intellect alone, and then it is possible the crocodile exists.
Hey, if you have a problem, take it up with Descartes...
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05-06-2005, 10:45 PM
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| "I think crocodiles, therefore I am..." ?!?!  What if I don't think crocodiles, but merely feel them? Have I then gotten in touch with my "inner crocodile"? And is that tragic, or comic?
What would Dr. Phil say?
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05-06-2005, 11:04 PM
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| Let us assume telekanuru is a man.
2150km from telekanuru in Port Douglas, Florida, there are many crocodiles.
Crocodiles are wider than they are green:
Let's look at the crocodile. It is wide on the top and on the bottom, but it is green only on the top. Therefore, the crocodile is wider than it is green.
Crocodiles are greener than they are long:
Let's look at the crocodile. It is green along its length and width, but it is long only along its length. Therefore, the crocodile is greener than it is long.
Since crocodiles are wider than they are green, and greener than they are long, it follows that a crocodile must be wider than it is long.
Experimental evidence contradicts this proof. As this proof has been contradicted, the initial assumption must be false. Therefore telekanuru is not a man.[/color]
Hmmmmm....I like this logic. | 
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05-06-2005, 11:15 PM
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| I don't think you need a logical proof to come to that conclusion.  | |
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