Camp with Sanzo!!!

[fencerontheline]

Brooklyn fencing is running an elite camp with Sanzo as well as another non-elite camp a little later(details to soon follow).

It's looking to be a strong camp both weeks, with cool people attending.

Salvatore and his wife Frida are going to run the camp this year.

More info at::
http://www.brooklynfencing.com/camp_elite.html

[wflaschka]

Brooklyn fencing is running an elite camp with Sanzo

Holy Cow! That's quite a coup. Is anybody going, and willing to take notes and report back to us?

[telkanuru]

Oooh, shiney. Too bad he's a dirty foilist

[glowstix]

Oooh, shiney. Too bad he's a dirty foilist

yeah, an awesome dirty foilist!!

[fencerontheline]

Holy Cow! That's quite a coup. Is anybody going, and willing to take notes and report back to us?

If they'll let us, the club intends to tape the camp, so that we may review it.

[SmokeyTheCat263]

Will the great Mikhail Dotin be coaching there too? If so i'll have to bring some chic beer for him in exchange for lessons

[fencerontheline]

Doteonovich is going to be Sanzo's ***** methinks...

And chick beer is too hard for me.... I better just stick to Zima

[wflaschka]

If they'll let us, the club intends to tape the camp, so that we may review it.

Some of us on the bboard have been trying to nail down the concepts of Italian footwork and tempo.

Grasshopper wrote the article It's All About Tempo, and Cavatione once explained to me the Italian approach is called scherma da terreno/ground fencing: "continuous movements back and forth with sudden attacks on the step or in a passata."

I'm very curious whether there's a defined Italian methodology, the cardinal points, even if they have a name for it. Is it something constructed, like TB German Epee, or is it just more a national style, like the Hungarian Method. Scherma da terreno, broadly, doesn't sound too different from the Hungarian attacks on foot tempo, described in David Littell's article, so what are the big differences, in his opinion.

Any info Sanzo might give could go a long way to demystifying all this. For example, Trillini, Vezzali, Granbassi can look very similar at times; is it accident or design? Will the next Italian women's champ look the same? If it's all by design, then it's something that will improve as they finesse it, and/or it may be written down somewhere. Google helps not.

[Grasshopper]

Some of us on the bboard have been trying to nail down the concepts of Italian footwork and tempo.

Grasshopper wrote the article It's All About Tempo, and Cavatione once explained to me the Italian approach is called scherma da terreno/ground fencing: "continuous movements back and forth with sudden attacks on the step or in a passata."

Of course, I would also be very interested in what he has to say. (Wish I could attend myself...) If I were there, I would not only ask him about differences between Italian style and other countries', but also differences among the leading Italian foilists over the last few decades. Numa, Borella, Puccini, Cerioni, Zennaro, Cassara, and of course, Sanzo himself.

[fencerontheline]

Granbassi may or may not do this camp too....

[govsecrets]

i would go, only i'm just a U...

[fencerontheline]

i would go, only i'm just a U...

We're probably running a non-elite camp the week after... so there's hope. But all of these details are tentative.

[Araznal]

Dote, I'm sorry, but I just have a tough time believing that you got Sanzo to come to bkfc. If he is, then it's going to boost the club WAY up. By the way, how did you convince him? Death threats?

Mikhail Dotin, lol, I still can't get over that one

[fencerontheline]

Rolando was the one who dealt with Paolo Roselli... we're just paying him(Sanzo) well and treating him nicely. But this is just for a camp.... it's too bad it's probably only gonna last 2 weeks.

[Cavatione]

and Cavatione once explained to me the Italian approach is called scherma da terreno/ground fencing: "continuous movements back and forth with sudden attacks on the step or in a passata."

Wow! You still remember that old PM of mine, trying to give a decent answer to your question...

An old way used to define the italin fencers was: "Rubber legs, steel arm".

[Safir]

Hi,

Are they any elite camps in Italia ?

Not speaking Italian i have some problems finding them.

Thanks.
S.

[Cavatione]

Hi,

Are they any elite camps in Italia ?

Not speaking Italian i have some problems finding them.

Thanks.
S.

Sorry, but I can't really help you: not being a sport fencer, but a traditional and classical one, I'm absolutely out of everything the Fencing Italian Federation (FIS) does or doesn't...

[wflaschka]

Wow! You still remember that old PM of mine, trying to give a decent answer to your question...

Of course I remember! That was a very helpful answer, and it gave enough information for me to start some online searches on the topic. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find much on modern Italian sport fencing methodology, even in Italian. German, French, Russian, Hungarian -- these all have some descriptions or resources scattered around the Internet. But Italian is harder to find, especially considering that Italy has so many dominating fencers.

[fencingguy]

Some of us on the bboard have been trying to nail down the concepts of Italian footwork and tempo.

Grasshopper wrote the article It's All About Tempo, and Cavatione once explained to me the Italian approach is called scherma da terreno/ground fencing: "continuous movements back and forth with sudden attacks on the step or in a passata."

I'm very curious whether there's a defined Italian methodology, the cardinal points, even if they have a name for it. Is it something constructed, like TB German Epee, or is it just more a national style, like the Hungarian Method. Scherma da terreno, broadly, doesn't sound too different from the Hungarian attacks on foot tempo, described in David Littell's article, so what are the big differences, in his opinion.

Any info Sanzo might give could go a long way to demystifying all this. For example, Trillini, Vezzali, Granbassi can look very similar at times; is it accident or design? Will the next Italian women's champ look the same? If it's all by design, then it's something that will improve as they finesse it, and/or it may be written down somewhere. Google helps not.

Great article by Dave, does anyone know if there is anything else out there that describes any of the "schools" of thought on fencing in such detail?

[wflaschka]

Great article by Dave, does anyone know if there is anything else out there that describes any of the "schools" of thought on fencing in such detail?

I'd be very interested too. Comparing/contrasting national styles has come up on this board before. Comparisons are so vague and exception-prone, especially with modern fencing, it's difficult to find attributes that everybody agrees upon.

Allen Evans gives a great description of the derived Tauber-Epee approach: Some Notes on "German" Epée and a Short Lesson Plan. There is more on how Tauber epee was derived here as a PDF download, or go from this page: download training docs, it's Doc #2 of 3.