Meet your match!

[rmyounis]

Its a NAC tournament, you'd think they'd make the ratings of the people public! Are you telling me I'd have to email the USFA for this info?

[noodle]

what place did you get? it was the denver div3 right?

[rmyounis]

I got 1st in Div3 and 21 in Div2...I looked on the USFA site and I cant find anyhting about ratings, but I remember seeing them posted IN DENVER...seems silly is all

[noodle]

hmm. good point then. i also wonder about why they don't post the complete results.

but the webpage says it was definitely only a C3. you're a C05. congrats.

[rmyounis]

That I knew - thank you

[noodle]

1) you
2) D04
3) B05
3) C04
5) C05
6) E02
7) C05
8) D04

thats all you get for free
no guarantee that B05 and first C05 is correct, might've earned it after the fact, but i'm almost positive the others are.

[rmyounis]

Neat....Ill go try that ask fred thing, if thats what you got it off of. Thanks!
Incidentally, the B05 got his in DivII the day before, I remember him telling me about it

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Originally Posted by CvilleFencer

What were the strengths of those tourneys DFP? Just saying the results is not horribly helpful without knowing the strength of the competitions (well, except for the NAC since we can look that up). Do you have or could you come up with the number of rated fencers and what their rating was for these tourneys? Oh, and I had to beat or finish higher than the number 11 spot on the Y-14 points list in most of my tourneys so far this year so don't get to puffed up over the kiddy points biotch!

Yup, actually, I can.

http://askfred.net/Results/search.ph...arch_submit=Go

[CvilleFencer]

Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken!

Yup, actually, I can.

http://askfred.net/Results/search.ph...arch_submit=Go

Cool. But now you want us to count them up for you? I know that teenagers are lazy sacks of shiznit in general, but you could at least count up how many of what rating in each tourney? I know I am not interested enough to do it for you...

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by CvilleFencer

I would be happy to offer some suggestions but as to the actual modeling of the results I am not sure how to proceed.

Easy. One choice is to take the numeric system that was being proposed for the USFA back ~7-8 years ago and use it just to evaluate a collection of a few tournaments.

Another is to modify the SF formula used for world cups and european opens. Choose weighting factors for each of the ratings and use it to evaluate tournament strength. Lots of reasonable weighting schemes, but that just gives us more to talk about. :)

-B :)

[CvilleFencer]

Sounds like Oiuyt is in charge of it! What do you say, willing to give it a whirl on building our fantasy tourney framework and then listing the results after everyone has joined in that wants to?

[glowstix]

i've only been to 2 opens this year so far.

6th (B1, 22 fencers, 1A, 3B's, 6C's, ?D's, ?E's)
3rd (E1, 13 fencers, 2B's, 4C's 2D's, ?E's)

i'm too broke right now to have gone to any others..

[oiuyt]

Here's the SF formula for world cups:

SSF = [N/10 + (7(Sr8) + 6(Sr16) + 5(Sr32) + 4(Sr64) + 3(Jr16) + 2(Sr100))]/100

SSF = Senior Strength Factor
N = Number of Competitors
Sr8 = # fencer 1-8 in FIE Senior standings
Sr16 = # fencers 9-16
Sr32 = # 17-32
Sr64 = #33-64
Sr100 = # 65-100
Jr16 = # 1-16 in FIE Junior standings
SSF is capped at a max of 2.000

I would suggest the following modification:

FnSF = [N/10 + (6(Sr8) + 5(Sr24) + 4(Sr) + 3(A) + 2(B) + C + (D)/2)]/100
FnSF = Fencing.net Strength Factor
N = Number of competitors
Sr8 = # fencers 1-8 in USFA Senior Standings
Sr24 = # fencers 9-24 in USFA Senior Standings
Sr = # fencers 25+ in USFA Senior Standings
A = # A rated fencers
B = # B's
C = # C's
D = # D's
FnSF capped at a max of 2.000

Note, a fencer only counts for one of the (non-N) categories. So an A ranked 7th in the USFA counts towards the Sr8, but not also towards the A.

Okay, now to try to evaluate a few tournaments as a test...

I'll use the 5 tournaments I listed because I know what they are.

1st: N=18, Sr=1, A=1, B=2, C=3, D=3
FnSF = [18/10 + (4(1) + 3(1) + 2(2) + 3 + (3)/2)]/100 = .173

2nd: N=25, Sr24=1, Sr=1, A=1, B=4, C=3, D=3
FnSF = [25/10 + (5(1) + 4(1) + 3(1) + 2(4) + 3 + (3)/2)]/100 = .270

Mmmm, actually I don't know how many A/B/C fencers were in the NACs. I'd be very surprised if they don't all hit the cap of 2.000.

Non-listed event: 1st in B2: N=36, Sr=1, B=2, C=5, D=8
FnSF = [36/10 + 4 + 2(2) + 5 + (8)/2]/100 = .206

So my points values would be:
1000 * .173 = 173
920 * .270 = 248
287 * 2.000 = 574
ah, found another problem. No points for not being in the top 32... Okay, we'll just stop with those being my top three results, although I believe that 35th in a D1 NAC is worth more than winning most local opens. Or I suppose we could drop to 33rd being 225 points and then drop another 5 points/place beyond that. So:
215 * 2.000 = 430
215 * 2.000 = 430
1000 * .206 = 206

So my top 3 results from this year are worth 1434 points.

Top 3 local events would be 627.

-B :)

[oiuyt]

Note that I used the points charts for D1 NACs rather than for world cups (world cups they boost them by a factor of 1.2).

-B :)

[Iwant2bafencer]

I would say Darion McNair oh wait . . he's not even my same weapon. *sneaks away*

[latenight]

LOL...and a snicker

[esskreemr]

Latenight did you get Zelda tucked away properly?

[RebelFencer]

oiuyt, I think you're my hero.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

Here's the SF formula for world cups:

SSF = [N/10 + (7(Sr8) + 6(Sr16) + 5(Sr32) + 4(Sr64) + 3(Jr16) + 2(Sr100))]/100

SSF = Senior Strength Factor
N = Number of Competitors
Sr8 = # fencer 1-8 in FIE Senior standings
Sr16 = # fencers 9-16
Sr32 = # 17-32
Sr64 = #33-64
Sr100 = # 65-100
Jr16 = # 1-16 in FIE Junior standings
SSF is capped at a max of 2.000

I would suggest the following modification:

FnSF = [N/10 + (6(Sr8) + 5(Sr24) + 4(Sr) + 3(A) + 2(B) + C + (D)/2)]/100
FnSF = Fencing.net Strength Factor
N = Number of competitors
Sr8 = # fencers 1-8 in USFA Senior Standings
Sr24 = # fencers 9-24 in USFA Senior Standings
Sr = # fencers 25+ in USFA Senior Standings
A = # A rated fencers
B = # B's
C = # C's
D = # D's
FnSF capped at a max of 2.000

Note, a fencer only counts for one of the (non-N) categories. So an A ranked 7th in the USFA counts towards the Sr8, but not also towards the A.

Okay, now to try to evaluate a few tournaments as a test...

I'll use the 5 tournaments I listed because I know what they are.

1st: N=18, Sr=1, A=1, B=2, C=3, D=3
FnSF = [18/10 + (4(1) + 3(1) + 2(2) + 3 + (3)/2)]/100 = .173

2nd: N=25, Sr24=1, Sr=1, A=1, B=4, C=3, D=3
FnSF = [25/10 + (5(1) + 4(1) + 3(1) + 2(4) + 3 + (3)/2)]/100 = .270

Mmmm, actually I don't know how many A/B/C fencers were in the NACs. I'd be very surprised if they don't all hit the cap of 2.000.

Non-listed event: 1st in B2: N=36, Sr=1, B=2, C=5, D=8
FnSF = [36/10 + 4 + 2(2) + 5 + (8)/2]/100 = .206

So my points values would be:
1000 * .173 = 173
920 * .270 = 248
287 * 2.000 = 574
ah, found another problem. No points for not being in the top 32... Okay, we'll just stop with those being my top three results, although I believe that 35th in a D1 NAC is worth more than winning most local opens. Or I suppose we could drop to 33rd being 225 points and then drop another 5 points/place beyond that. So:
215 * 2.000 = 430
215 * 2.000 = 430
1000 * .206 = 206

So my top 3 results from this year are worth 1434 points.

Top 3 local events would be 627.

-B

Interesting, but there's a few things.

1. That system will only be useful in ranking fencers that are C or better, or thereabouts, because it only qualifies high-ranking fencers. In other words, a finish at a bad tournament counts for nothing, and a bad finish at a good tournament counts for nothing, either.

2. We shouldn't give extra points for going to more events. Perhaps we can just use the highest number of events a fencer got for a single tournament? Otherwise, the fencers that remembered the highest number of their results would be ranked highest.

3. I don't understand the part at the end, what did you multiply the "strength factor" by?

4. See you Sunday...

[CvilleFencer]

Originally Posted by CvilleFencer

Cool. But now you want us to count them up for you? I know that teenagers are lazy sacks of shiznit in general, but you could at least count up how many of what rating in each tourney? I know I am not interested enough to do it for you...

Wow, what a dickhead I am sometimes. I just realized by rereading over this page how ****ty that sounded! I was apparently having a very jerkish moment DFP! I am really sorry about snapping at you. I don't have any hard feelings towards you at all, I was just having a rough day. Sorry to take it out on you for no good reason.