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Old 04-18-2005, 02:35 PM   #21
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One thing which has been alluded to by previous posters, but not explicitly said is that body evasions work bestwhen you know the opponent is going to attack to a certain line: i.e. you set them up to attack there. For instance, to perform an Inquartata or a demi-volte, one might have noticed that one's opponent has a penchant for disengaging and attacking the high inside when you engage their blade on your high outside. So you set up the scenario where you engage their blade in six or third, then when they react in the manner that you have observed previously, instead of parrying you perform a counter attack with an inquartata or demi-volte.

As to the differences between the passata soto and the "duck"
1) initial motion in the Passata Soto is BACKWARDS as you are throwing your leg back... this adds a measure of security and allows you a little extra room/time to duck uner the opponent's blade... the "duck' I have seen performed goes straight down.
2) final movement in the passata soto is forward with the leaning of the body toward the opponent, which further ensures that the menacing point you have ducked under has now passed your target.. it also allows a little more reach to hit.
3) the passata soto uses the unarmed hand for stability/balance.

in sumation, the ducks I have seen are actually much harder to perform than the passata soto because one must have more precise timing to avoid the point because they are going straight down (as opposed to backward, down and forward). The duck is also much harder to recover from as balance is not as stable as in the three point stance of the passata soto. The duck also does not have as great a reach as the passata soto.

I have seen both ducks and passata sotos performed succesfully in competitions when they are performed as a pre-meditated counter attack as
described above.

I actually favor the cartoccio against certain variations of the fleche and running attack in epee. The intagliata is also a tastey surprise to use in epee against certain 'distance challenged' and 'sentiment du ferre challenged' individuals.

Are these actions risky? yes! However, I find the psychological advantages of performing them succesfully makes them worthwhile of occasional use. Your opponent is intimidated/shocked by what you just pulled and you are elated.
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Besides, has any ever seen a classical passato sotta done successfully in a competition?
The weekend before last at our Div 2/3 Men's epee against a very fast young epeeist. I don't think he had ever seen a passata de soto before. The fencer who did it timed it just right and it was beautiful!
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"Disrobing" - from derobement, to decieve an attempt to take the blade?
yeah, sorry. my club used disrobing rather than derobment for a long time, until someone remembered how it was pronounced.
guess it's just a bad habit (though talk about a way to throw an opponent off!)
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What Inq said, plus some thought it was a woman's name because it ends in "a".
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Inq: you're a sabreur - I don't recall seeing this action used in sabre, do you?
The choice of name was part and parcel of my original attempt to maintain an air of mystery and anonymity. Sadly, it proved pretty futile.

I do use it fairly often when I dabble in SCA or WMA rapier. It looks very elegant when properly executed. You know how you feel when someone throws out a PIL into your preparation and you can't stop yourself from walking into it? The inquartata gives something of that "duh" feeling to the opponent, because his point goes haring off into empty space and he impales himself on yours while you just stand there looking self-satisfied...
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A friend of mine uses it as his signature move, including in competitions. He draws a fleche or lunge, then performs the counterattack and spins away. Actually, he (improperly) does it even flashier than normal, by making it almost a full spin, so if he failed to hit he could get called for turning of the back sometimes.
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As promised here are the demonstrations that I made a while back... enjoy:

http://www.nicholasroussos.com/2005/...strations.html

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p.s. Please don't be harsh on them; I don't make any claims of any expertise.
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