Fencing.Net - Your Guide to Fencing & Fencing Equipment

sreckiki · 04-12-2005, 03:09 PM

I've just kind of discovered this feature (OK, I am a bit slow on that...

) but there's something I don't understand. Why are the reputation points, which are only good reputation points, anonymous (if the guy didn't write a little message with it)?

If somebody likes my post and gives me a reputation point, I would like to know who he/she is! That won't kill him/her!

noodle · 04-12-2005, 03:15 PM

it just gives you the option to do it either way.
i usually give mine out anonymously, i don't want rep farming to occur (someone sees i gave them a huge boost, wants to repay me by giving me some back). thats not how i roll.

keith · 04-12-2005, 03:34 PM

agree with noodle, there seems to be a fair amount of reciprocal repping going on - which seems to me to be against the principle of the rep system.

sreckiki · 04-12-2005, 03:46 PM

Thanks guys. I get it now.

I thought the world was perfect and the reputation point were only given to people who deserves it and not because of some kind of reciprocity !

Inquartata · 04-12-2005, 08:55 PM

Hah, you reckoned without those sly epeeists!

I always include a note when I give a point ( usually for a pun of some sort ). Definitely not looking for any tit for tat, though...

oiuyt · 04-12-2005, 08:55 PM

Also note that when the rep system started there were both positive and negative rep changes allowed (that's still true for the moderators).

But yeah, think about who you feel are the most useful posters. Then look at who has the most rep. Some names in common, some names that are on only one or the other of your lists. The rep system does tend to reward useful posters, but also very much rewards other things. Noodle's FAQ has a brief discussion (somewhat tongue in cheek) of what tended to get positive and negative rep back when the system was first introduced.

-B :)

arkady_tsep · 04-12-2005, 10:22 PM

What's the purpose of rep points. I gave some a point to some people who gave me good advice on my hostin plus blade question. Is that what it's for?

***Craig*** · 04-13-2005, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkady_tsep

What's the purpose of rep points. I gave some a point to some people who gave me good advice on my hostin plus blade question. Is that what it's for?

Arkady,

That was the original intent of the reputation system. I had allowed both positive and negative reputation to be awarded by members, but then some people were getting "dinged" with negative rep points for posts that I considered to be deserving of positive rep, simply because they were on the other side of an argument from some members in some other thread.

So, I removed the negative rep except for me and moderators, but that has led to a lot of positive rep awarding without a very good way to prune it back.

I've been thinking of how to put in a system that rewards based on my original intent, but every way has work arounds.

Craig

Army Fencer · 04-13-2005, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig

Arkady,

That was the original intent of the reputation system. I had allowed both positive and negative reputation to be awarded by members, but then some people were getting "dinged" with negative rep points for posts that I considered to be deserving of positive rep, simply because they were on the other side of an argument from some members in some other thread.

So, I removed the negative rep except for me and moderators, but that has led to a lot of positive rep awarding without a very good way to prune it back.

I've been thinking of how to put in a system that rewards based on my original intent, but every way has work arounds.

Craig

Craig, you may consider only letting people get rep points in certain forums. For example, people could get rep points anywhere but the Water Cooler or the Politics folder. I seen that done with posts--only posts in certain forums count toward your post count.

I know that I don't deserve as many points as you...

arkady_tsep · 04-13-2005, 04:47 PM

Perhaps only the senior members should be allowed to reward rep points.

keith · 04-13-2005, 04:56 PM

the suggestion that rep is limited to the 'fencing' portion of the forums is a good one.

.... someone just bumped me to three dots for my previous post in this thread. (not that I really mind

)

noodle · 04-13-2005, 05:50 PM

to add onto the already posted ideas, most of which i think are good, i was thinking maybe having a system that allows the top X number of people who have reputation to also be allowed to give out negative rep. generally speaking, those are the most respected, trusted people who aren't gonna abuse that power for evil. except maybe inq.

Inquartata · 04-13-2005, 09:31 PM

Shifty, suspicious-minded epeeist!

mrbiggs · 04-13-2005, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig

Arkady,

That was the original intent of the reputation system. I had allowed both positive and negative reputation to be awarded by members, but then some people were getting "dinged" with negative rep points for posts that I considered to be deserving of positive rep, simply because they were on the other side of an argument from some members in some other thread.

So, I removed the negative rep except for me and moderators, but that has led to a lot of positive rep awarding without a very good way to prune it back.

I've been thinking of how to put in a system that rewards based on my original intent, but every way has work arounds.

Craig

You could just put negative rep back in. Sure, people lost random points, but it was pretty even across the board. And they came out right. People who were liked (Inquartata, Achilleus) were on the top of the rep points list, people who were...not so liked (RL) didn't do so well. I think that the "random" points balanced out.

Anyway, at this rate, Maeve Mari is going to have about 23,000,000 green rep dots by July.

fencerontheline · 04-14-2005, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig

Arkady,

That was the original intent of the reputation system. I had allowed both positive and negative reputation to be awarded by members, but then some people were getting "dinged" with negative rep points for posts that I considered to be deserving of positive rep, simply because they were on the other side of an argument from some members in some other thread.

So, I removed the negative rep except for me and moderators, but that has led to a lot of positive rep awarding without a very good way to prune it back.

I've been thinking of how to put in a system that rewards based on my original intent, but every way has work arounds.

Craig

Craig,
Maybe to rework negative rep, you can work out some sorta appeals system(if it's not too time consuming...) where if negative rep is given out, then the person who's been given the negative rep has the right to appeal it to you, gav, and/or maybe a few other people you choose.

If you rule the negative rep fair, it stands as is(and possibly- you can limit the amount of appeals one person has, and pehaps have that based on their seniority/rep points)..

If the negative rep is ruled unfair, then you can have the same ding applied to the person who dished it out. This will definitely deter people from negative repping without due cause.

The only issue I see that would get in the way, is the time invloved in the appeal process. Perhaps, if you limit the number of appeals/month to 1 or 2/ per hundred rep points, it can work out.

Peach · 04-14-2005, 03:22 PM

Vague thoughts on the subject:

I don't much care for reputation points, period, but I dislike negative reputation even more.

Reputation points are a popularity contest, and not a very efficient one. If you want to know if someone is reliable, read what they've posted. Also, there are provisions for moderators naming people "expert."

If people want to express approval of something you've said, why not PM? Likewise for negative rep. If someone has been really offensive, there's a mechanism for reporting the post.