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Old 04-12-2005, 03:15 PM   #1
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So what's his defense going to be?

I have to admit I've been reading about the Michael Jackson trial in the papers lately. Usually I don't follow celebrity trials, but for some reason this one piqued my interest.

The evidence presented thus far looks pretty bad for him. I can see maybe one or two people making up a story, but when there's all kinds of unrelated people consistently testifying about the same kinds of behaviors, it's pretty unlikely that they're making it up. And the stuff they've all testified about is pretty sick.

So what's his defense going to be? How are the lawyers going to get yet another jury to acquit yet another celebrity?
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:16 PM   #2
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they were beggin' for it.
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in order for michael to be telling the truth, all these other people have to be liars.
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I have to admit I've been reading about the Michael Jackson trial in the papers lately. Usually I don't follow celebrity trials, but for some reason this one piqued my interest.

The evidence presented thus far looks pretty bad for him. I can see maybe one or two people making up a story, but when there's all kinds of unrelated people consistently testifying about the same kinds of behaviors, it's pretty unlikely that they're making it up. And the stuff they've all testified about is pretty sick.

So what's his defense going to be? How are the lawyers going to get yet another jury to acquit yet another celebrity?
I was just on the phone with a friend saying the same thing. At first I felt it was going to be one of those celebrity-babble cases, with money hungry liars and fools saying pretty much anything to get at another reality-dumb celebrity's millions. I mean, we always knew Michael was odd and weird, but it just didn't seem possible that he would actually fool around with the little boys and think the kids and their families would just accept the behavior.

So when the allegations started appearing I was on the Money-Train defense. Prove them to be frauds and cheats and general losers and win the case. But now, the more I read, the more I have to question what I thought was the situation. I still think some of these parents are cheats and losers, but I am afraid that I also think Michael both grooms the children for his purposes and that his purpose with the children is sexual. His only defense is to still show the imperfections of his accusers, and maybe a plea for mercy on the court based on his artistic abnormalities.

The people who work for Michael, his handlers and agents, made a big mistake in not taking better care of their Money-Train, because it's out of the station and on that single lane track over the mountain valley.
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Old 04-12-2005, 06:55 PM   #5
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He's guilty. Quotes from him versus witnesses and accusers are too similar in physical/temporal detail to not be descriptions of real events, and then his only alibi was that it was "non-sexual." yeah right.
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:24 PM   #6
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His best defense? Maybe a slow-speed chase in a white Bronco...

No, that'd only work if he was black. Never mind.

Seriously, though? Money. With enough money enough bewildering complexity and confusion can be introduced to a case---and into the heads of the jurors---to aquit the Devil himself. O.J. and Robert Blake, cases in point.
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:32 PM   #7
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I'm slightly mixed on this case. On the one hand, it's pretty possible that he did it. The testimony is getting more and more reliable, and he is pretty weird. On the other hand, I've been slightly suspicious of molestation cases since reading Disclosure, by Michael Chrichton. (Really bad book, but contains some interesting opinions.) Also, he's a celebrity, and that also is, in my opinion, something to suggest that he is innocent, because people might sue or accuse him for his money or for their fame.
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:43 PM   #8
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chewbacca defense
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Old 04-13-2005, 12:05 AM   #9
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Chewbacca defense is flawed. All the prosecutor had to do was point out that Wookies don't actually come from Endor, and Johnny Cochran's head would have exploded.


Of course, that doesn't mean yet another unbelievably dumb California jury wouldn't buy it...
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Old 04-13-2005, 12:15 AM   #10
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read a transcript. he mentions the fact that they come from kashyyk (i forget the spelling) but live on endor.
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Old 04-13-2005, 01:08 AM   #11
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Yeah, I meant they don't live on Endor. That's those irritating little teddy bears there.
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Guilty or innocent, the "man" should not be sleeping in his or others' beds with children (especially those that are not his own), & the parents of those children should be punished for allowing such things to happen. That's child endangerment.

And, since children are my weakness, I'm going to stop writing now, before I get REALLY ticked.
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