Are flips allowed?

[EFish83]

Just wondering...does anyone know if you can do flips and stuff like that while bouting?

[Craig]

Originally Posted by EFish83

Just wondering...does anyone know if you can do flips and stuff like that while bouting?

That would expose your back and therefore be illegal.

Craig

[oiuyt]

Hard to do without turning your back on your opponent at some point....

Not to mention problems with the wires, covering target if you're doing it in distance, etc., etc.

-B :)

[sabreur]

Originally Posted by EFish83

Just wondering...does anyone know if you can do flips and stuff like that while bouting?

Yes. You're also allowed to swing on curtains and chandeliers, vault railings, fence up and down stairs, and hide behind pillars.

MR

[JackSparrow]

Theres no real advantage to be gained from it anyway. It would just be showboating.

[EFish83]

ha ha! I asked because I read somewhere that someone did a summer sault during a sabre bout and got a touche by using it. I didn't think it was allowed because it would expose your back. Has anyone ever seen someone do something like that?

[Morion]

The person would have to have vaulted over the opposing fencer to avoid turning his back on an opponent. I'm sure that crosses several lines such as being "out of control". Not to mention downright dangerous. Very few people could do that without risking injury both to themselves and their opponents.

[AndrewH]

Besides you'd look pretty silly when the reel cord wrapped itself around your legs, and you fell flat on your face.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Originally Posted by EFish83

ha ha! I asked because I read somewhere that someone did a summer sault during a sabre bout and got a touche by using it. I didn't think it was allowed because it would expose your back. Has anyone ever seen someone do something like that?

well, if they summersaulted after the touch was scored...........

i once saw oiuyt accidentally summersault while fencing, i assume it was after someone had recieved the touch........... but i don't really remember details..........

[EFish83]

Originally Posted by AndrewH

Besides you'd look pretty silly when the reel cord wrapped itself around your legs, and you fell flat on your face.

That is very true

[SwordSoul]

but it i found wastes energy. i now simply wait patiently in the rafters until i can drop straight down onto them a la Aeris sometimes it's difficult with all the wall to wall triangle jumping and ninpo and stuff, but the payoff is worth it sometimes the wire from the reels give me away though, and the directors are leik: "OMG t3h H4x0r!" and i'm like "STFU NOOB!"that's when i take the director out on the way down with sharpened body-cord prongs in my back pocket I remember one tournament people were getting really antsy and arguing with refs and stuff, I had to take out the whole freakin' room--it was nuts, you guys should have been there or at least observing through a secret window or something, i probably would have taken you out with the rest of those n00bs It was at a big invitational in France Cliff Bayer barely escaped with his life ask him if he has any scars heh heh heh... one day i'll find that bastard and finish the job but yeah i used to do flips a lot it was rad

peace
matt

[Larrison]

Originally Posted by EFish83

ha ha! I asked because I read somewhere that someone did a summer sault during a sabre bout and got a touche by using it. I didn't think it was allowed because it would expose your back. Has anyone ever seen someone do something like that?

Umm.. that was probably me. It wasn't me doint it -- this was in an informal fencing competition at the infamous Grand Wazoo street fencing parties which used to be held up in the Hollywood Hills area years ago. It wasn't electrical, and was actually held in the street (the street was blocked off for the party). And it was scored by popping balloons which were pinned to the opposing fencer's forehead, cheeks, elbow, and chest. We were fencing saber of course, at the time.

*sigh* Great Parties! Long time ago though..

So.... flip or somersault in competition? Not likely... If someone tried that, they'd open themselves up as a reallly good target too..

[EFish83]

Was it hard to do a summer sault with the mask on?

[paragon]

I wonder if this was the sabre you heard about. Montano did a terrific flip after winning the gold in Athens. I'd have to see the tape to know if he was still attached to anything. Or were they fencing wireless? How soon we forget!

[VERITAS]

Thats funny, SwordSoul.

I have heard of (in dry fencing of course) a roll backwards to avoid a hit, but never forwards. It may have been a rumor anyways.
It probably is not possible in electric competition and almost certainly against the rules.
The best reason not to do it however is that you will be counterattacked if you are facing a competent opponent.

In smallsword, slips, passes, voids, disarms, seizures, locks, throws, and kicks are possible, perhaps even to be recommended. Just as spectacular if not more so, and actually effective if executed properly. If.
I surely cannot do it, but others who are better can.

Flipping seems to be pretty useless, though. You may as well get a running start and leap through the air thrashing wildly while screaming for all the good that'll do. Oh wait, that's the fleche. We already do that.

charley

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by paragon

I wonder if this was the sabre you heard about. Montano did a terrific flip after winning the gold in Athens. I'd have to see the tape to know if he was still attached to anything. Or were they fencing wireless? How soon we forget!

Sabre in the Olympics was wireless (or, rather, reelless).

-B :)

[Mauler]

Originally Posted by EFish83

ha ha! I asked because I read somewhere that someone did a summer sault during a sabre bout and got a touche by using it. I didn't think it was allowed because it would expose your back. Has anyone ever seen someone do something like that?

I've done somersaults while fencing. This goes back to the days when I weighed approximately 80-lbs over ideal competition weight, most of which I gained in one year when I stopped training in martial arts. I still had the muscles, and my brain still knew what the body SHOULD HAVE BEEN capable of. But from time to time, my coordination would be "a little off" because of the sudden change in my body configuration! This happened when I was just coming back into a life style that includes physical training. Fencing happened to be my choice of medicine.

Going forward, charging and charging... (this is back in the days when NO ONE called stop hits or attack into preparation) ..... my feet don't quite stay in sync with the movement of the mass, and I end up falling over ready to hit the strip face first.

My former training kicks in, and I immediately flip over to roll, coming back on my feet and rising up to cut my opponent who's still doing his best to run off his end of the strip. The entire time, the flow of movement (of our centers of mass) was never interrupted.

This happened in a Division where just about everyone was ignorant of fencing rules back then. So our fellow fencer who was standing in as a director didn't bother pondering upon the legality of what I had just pulled off. I got the point.

Another time. Still same season, but good 20-lbs lighter....

I'm running back with everything I've got, trying to run off my end of the strip before my opponent enters the fencing distance. My feet don't catch up. I start to fly backward, ready to fall on my butt. Instead, I roll back Judo-style and flip up and over, momentarily getting on my feet with knees bent and my butt only inches off the floor. Center of mass continues to go back, uninterrupted. As I begin to stand up, my butt rises just enough to clear the edge of a recliner that was at the end of the strip. I land right into the recliner and I sit there comfortably for a few seconds before returning to the strip.

[noodle]

1) i have done it before multiple times,
2) its more or less legal if you do it after passing, basically after an action where a halt should be called
3) you'd be suprised at how little the cord gets in your way since its being always pulled back to the reel.
4) when i do them, its usually because i fall and can't catch balance in time.

wheee

[Itto]

Originally Posted by VERITAS

Flipping seems to be pretty useless, though. You may as well get a running start and leap through the air thrashing wildly while screaming for all the good that'll do. Oh wait, that's the fleche. We already do that.

charley

I have GOT to stop reading these kinds of threads while eating.

I loathe snorting soup, especially spiced soup.

[KD5MDK]

Mauler - why are you trying to run off the back of your strip? Did your opponent hit THAT hard?