04-06-2005, 07:44 PM
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| Coaching Y-8's
Okay, I have a u-8 fencer that desperately wants to learn how, and actually has a good work ethic, and is willing to bust hours on footwork and conditioning. Since his youngest opponent is a 10 year old, and he's almost 7, bouting, at least right now, isnt possible. How do I keep this fencer interested, and not burning out, without atleast some bouting?
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04-06-2005, 07:48 PM
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| Games, and a variety of partner drills disguised as bouting, and theme bouting.
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04-06-2005, 07:52 PM
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| Also, if the kid is moderately talented, what are the chances that in 4 years of hard work and practice, he could do well at a y-10 NAC or SN?
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04-06-2005, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! Also, if the kid is moderately talented, what are the chances that in 4 years of hard work and practice, he could do well at a y-10 NAC or SN? | Depends on how talented, how much $ his parents are willing to spend, and how good his coaching is.
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04-06-2005, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by achilleus Depends on how talented, how much $ his parents are willing to spend, and how good his coaching is. |
Well, he has vertical talent, he's tall for a 6 year old, and has a very serious mindset. Parents willing to send him to a half dozen or so locals a year, and maybe a NAC or SN's. Decent coaching 
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04-06-2005, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! Well, he has vertical talent, he's tall for a 6 year old, and has a very serious mindset. Parents willing to send him to a half dozen or so locals a year, and maybe a NAC or SN's. Decent coaching | Height this early means early success, not lasting success. As for the coaching, well...
Let's just say, the worse the coaching the more talent and $ he'll need. Also, the key is remembering that success isn't usally measured by winning the y-10 events...
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04-06-2005, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by achilleus Height this early means early success, not lasting success. As for the coaching, well...
Let's just say, the worse the coaching the more talent and $ he'll need. Also, the key is remembering that success isn't usally measured by winning the y-10 events... | no, its not, but it gives a hell of a burst of confidence to the lucky brat that wins it.
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04-06-2005, 09:01 PM
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If you work with this kid for awhile, and ease him into tournaments and NAC y-10 he could do very well. Then the possiblities are endless. I would definatly get him working on fencing techniques and footwork. Keep him interested in the sport and he could go far. Good Luck 
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04-07-2005, 02:53 AM
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| first give him a lot of interest in fencing, if the kid doesn't feel something funny it'll be very difficult
to give him this interest and because at this age it's not so easy to concentrate i agree with achilleus use game, variety of fencing situation,....always as a game, you could teach him a lot of tactical situations like this, by example it's like this that the Touya brothers have learn fencing in Tarbes.
After you'll have the possibility to teach him more.
And don't forget to correct him ............it's not because you use a game to teach something that the kid have to learn nothing, correct his move, show him.
when you'll give him lesson: not too long, still the ability of concentration of the kid, work on 10-12 minutes, and 1 or 2 actions not more.
If he'll be able to win the Y-10 event, i don't know, there are a lot to take in consideration, how is the level of the student, the level of the opponent, the mind of this student (shy or not....)...........
For the coach i think i know who is it.............not a young fencer 15 year's old?(D+F+P=......)
i think this coach could do a lot of good work, he wants to do it...i just hope he had some exercises to teach, ask if you need more, i'm sure a lot of people here will enjoy to help you, me include | |
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04-07-2005, 02:58 AM
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| Whatever you do....keep it fun!!!! He may have a good work ethic, but he's still a kid...the moment he feels dread about going to practice, he's finished. | 
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04-07-2005, 03:11 AM
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| that's true, if a kid start to be bored by fencing, you're sure to loose him in fencing.............;and it's forever.....so give him fun with this sport | |
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04-07-2005, 08:07 AM
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| Why cant he fence the older fencers? I have an approx 7 yo girl who is tiny, fencing 10-11 yo boys, and getting damn close to beating them. She has been fencing all of 2 months, as have these boys.
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04-07-2005, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Zelda Why cant he fence the older fencers? I have an approx 7 yo girl who is tiny, fencing 10-11 yo boys, and getting damn close to beating them. She has been fencing all of 2 months, as have these boys. | cause this ten year old is huge! in another year though, with more muscle control and stuff, he might be able to do some bouting.
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04-07-2005, 09:47 AM
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| so prepare your student,
when i've this kind of student i like to use the example of salvatore sanzo, sanzo is far away from the giant full of muscles, but he's very good even he had to fence bissdorf or cassara who are stronger( for the body than him) he fences.
he use more technic, change of the rythm and so on...........you've just to teach it to your student, and maybe you'll have good result, now it's up to you
i could also take the example of d'oriola, but i'm not quite sure they've a so good knowledge about fencing history | |
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