04-11-2005, 06:53 PM
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#61 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Alan | Blimey, you are joking, right? The FIE does not have a sense of humour - look back to the "Letre d'Information de la FIE" (which is refered to by the letter that you have quoted) - http://www.fie.ch/download/letters/2...1-05%20FRA.pdf (look at page 3, e, "Materiel et equipement").
Even if the FIE did do "April Fools" it wouldn't go to the extent of publishing the earlier part on 20th January... Your french is better than mine, but you get the drift...
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04-11-2005, 07:16 PM
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#62 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Boo Boo Blimey, you are joking, right? The FIE does not have a sense of humour - look back to the "Letre d'Information de la FIE" (which is refered to by the letter that you have quoted) - http://www.fie.ch/download/letters/2...1-05%20FRA.pdf (look at page 3, e, "Materiel et equipement").
Even if the FIE did do "April Fools" it wouldn't go to the extent of publishing the earlier part on 20th January... Your french is better than mine, but you get the drift...
Boo | Well these clear visor masks for foil and Epee *are* jokes
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04-11-2005, 07:21 PM
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#63 | | Armorer
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Originally Posted by oiuyt This is to the point that many top-level armorers will argue that even replacement of the lexan portion of the mask by anyone other than the OEM will violate the FIE approval (despite the fact that it's likely undetectable in normal situations and that the manufacturers very much disagree with this opinion and sell replacement visors). Clearly the additional of such a visor to a traditional mask is a significantly larger modification.
-B  | I was one of those who incorrectly stated that. In fact, the FIE states, you can not have the visor part of the mask over 2 years old and the year of manufacture imprinted on the visor. You must replace the visor.
Also of note, I just got the newest list of FIE homologized visor masks. There are only 4. They are Allstar, Gajardoni, Leon Paul and PBT. Uhlmann, Zivkovic and all the others have been decertified. Those manufactured from 2004 and later for the 4 above are the only ones allowed for the World Cups and Championships.
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04-11-2005, 07:23 PM
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#64 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Alan Well these clear visor masks for foil and Epee *are* jokes | Maybe to you and quite a few others, but not to the FIE - they will (unless the decision is overturned) be reality from October... | |
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04-11-2005, 07:47 PM
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#65 | | Fencing Expert
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Originally Posted by DHCJr I was one of those who incorrectly stated that. In fact, the FIE states, you can not have the visor part of the mask over 2 years old and the year of manufacture imprinted on the visor. You must replace the visor. | Yeah, Dan was my original source for that statement, long before I heard you make it. Regardless, I'll stop promolgating it. Quote: |
Originally Posted by DHCJr Also of note, I just got the newest list of FIE homologized visor masks. There are only 4. They are Allstar, Gajardoni, Leon Paul and PBT. Uhlmann, Zivkovic and all the others have been decertified. Those manufactured from 2004 and later for the 4 above are the only ones allowed for the World Cups and Championships. | Interesting, given what Bram has been saying in the armory section of the forum. Do you have a source document that can be posted into that other thread?
Nice that not only are $300 masks being required, but that they last a maximum of 2 years to boot.... :eyeroll: If you have a pre-2004 mask from one of the four listed above with a post-2004 visor installed, is that legal? Ie is replacing a visor a method of keeping a mask legal for longer?
-B :)
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04-11-2005, 08:49 PM
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#66 | | Armorer
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| I am afraid I only have a hard copy. It is dated 2005.03.22 and signed by Dos Santos the new President of the SEMI commission.
I will see if I can upload it.
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04-11-2005, 10:25 PM
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#67 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DHCJr I was one of those who incorrectly stated that. In fact, the FIE states, you can not have the visor part of the mask over 2 years old and the year of manufacture imprinted on the visor. You must replace the visor.
Also of note, I just got the newest list of FIE homologized visor masks. There are only 4. They are Allstar, Gajardoni, Leon Paul and PBT. Uhlmann, Zivkovic and all the others have been decertified. Those manufactured from 2004 and later for the 4 above are the only ones allowed for the World Cups and Championships. | From the other thread....
Zivkovic (please note the proper spelling) Modern Fencing Equipment does not have its own line of masks transparent or otherwise - we never have. The original approvals from long ago came from alterations to other manufacturers' masks. The masks we sell now are not based on that first design.
The mask we currently sell is the PbT Lexan mask - they manufacture it under our license. Morever, Zivkovic Modern Fencing Equipment is the only company permitted to sell the PbT Lexan mask in the United States. Outside the United States is free territory.
As such, I kindly request that you stop posting that our mask has been "decertified" as it simply does not apply and hasn't for a long time now.
Bran
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