Mask at JO's with eyes on it

**oiuyt** · 03-04-2002 10:29 AM

K, even IF the referee disallows the mask how is this anything more than a yellow card? You talk about the opponent either being thrown out or receiving a black card for not having a second mask. Seems like IF a mask were disallowed that it falls under the improper equipment (group I, and then a "reasonable" amount of time to get a replacement, which in this case would include time for the equipment check).

This certainly WOULDN'T count as a delay of bout, and even if it DID, that's alos just a group I penalty... no black card there.....

If the referee knows his/her rules you might also have just walked into an unjustified appeal or delay of bout card for yourself.

-B

**HilandDoug** · 03-04-2002 12:03 PM

I would think the referree in this instance must have been motivated by something else in addition to the fencer's complaint. IMHO, the fencer who complained was trying to get her opponent flustered prior to the bout. Were she to use that complaint around the Michigan Division, I would think it would provoke a serious rolling of the referree's eyes

, followed by, "Are you serious, or are you trying to fluster your opponent?" Granted, I'm not speaking for ALL referrees (but Michiganders probably know to whom I refer!).

Are there any other instances where there was a "distraction" caused by one fencer that the opponent reacted to? (For purposes of comparison)

**DamedEscrime** · 03-04-2002 07:15 PM

Wait until you see mine. (A few of you have)I have cross stitched hearts and swords on the side of it. and my handle along with club name. Noone has ever said anything to me about it. But just in case im taking an extra plaine one to Reno.

**Inquartata** · 03-04-2002 08:29 PM

Well, if no one complains about the big number stickers they slap on the sides of masks overseas...

**DJ Apostrophe** · 03-05-2002 02:57 AM

Overseas? It's done on occasion here also... i know for a fact that at this years Ralph Goldstein memorial epee tournament at candlewood in CT they used this... they run the event as one big pool (30 something people this year), and its easier to keep track of everyone this way... In fact... two of my favorite fencer people out there now have numbers on their masks... (one has 39 and the other has 19)

**Methix** · 03-05-2002 05:29 AM

In case anyone beside me was wondering what Milanoli's mask looked like.

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	Register Help Remember Me? Forum Fencing Lists and Archives Discussion Archive Mask at JO's with eyes on it Page 2 of 2 First 12 Jump to page: Results 21 to 26 of 26 Thread: Mask at JO's with eyes on it Thread Tools Show Printable Version Email this Page… Subscribe to this Thread… Display Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode 03-04-2002 10:29 AM #21 oiuyt Fencing Expert Array Join Date Apr 2000 Location Pennsauken, NJ Posts 11,885 K, even IF the referee disallows the mask how is this anything more than a yellow card? You talk about the opponent either being thrown out or receiving a black card for not having a second mask. Seems like IF a mask were disallowed that it falls under the improper equipment (group I, and then a "reasonable" amount of time to get a replacement, which in this case would include time for the equipment check). This certainly WOULDN'T count as a delay of bout, and even if it DID, that's alos just a group I penalty... no black card there..... If the referee knows his/her rules you might also have just walked into an unjustified appeal or delay of bout card for yourself. -B "Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!" 03-04-2002 12:03 PM #22 HilandDoug Senior Member Array Join Date Jul 2000 Location Redford, Michigan Posts 890 I would think the referree in this instance must have been motivated by something else in addition to the fencer's complaint. IMHO, the fencer who complained was trying to get her opponent flustered prior to the bout. Were she to use that complaint around the Michigan Division, I would think it would provoke a serious rolling of the referree's eyes , followed by, "Are you serious, or are you trying to fluster your opponent?" Granted, I'm not speaking for ALL referrees (but Michiganders probably know to whom I refer!). Are there any other instances where there was a "distraction" caused by one fencer that the opponent reacted to? (For purposes of comparison) 03-04-2002 07:15 PM #23 DamedEscrime Senior Member Array Join Date May 2001 Location (near Chicago)IL, USA Posts 532 Wait until you see mine. (A few of you have)I have cross stitched hearts and swords on the side of it. and my handle along with club name. Noone has ever said anything to me about it. But just in case im taking an extra plaine one to Reno. CAUTION: The heart is a fragile thing. Handle with care. 03-04-2002 08:29 PM #24 Inquartata Curmudgeon Emeritus Array Join Date Jul 2001 Location Somewhere in your nightmares! Posts 34,471 Well, if no one complains about the big number stickers they slap on the sides of masks overseas... Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you! 03-05-2002 02:57 AM #25 DJ Apostrophe Senior Member Array Join Date Apr 2000 Location The periphery Posts 2,071 Overseas? It's done on occasion here also... i know for a fact that at this years Ralph Goldstein memorial epee tournament at candlewood in CT they used this... they run the event as one big pool (30 something people this year), and its easier to keep track of everyone this way... In fact... two of my favorite fencer people out there now have numbers on their masks... (one has 39 and the other has 19) 03-05-2002 05:29 AM #26 Methix Senior Member Array Join Date Nov 1999 Location Colorado Posts 130 In case anyone beside me was wondering what Milanoli's mask looked like. Methix "We have enough Youth, how about a fountain of Smart?" Page 2 of 2 First 12 Jump to page: « Previous Thread \| Next Thread » Similar Threads Buying My First Mask. By Jareth in forum Armory - Q&A Replies: 5 Last Post: 09-07-2005, 03:49 PM Mask Rust By Sprout in forum Fencing Discussion Replies: 7 Last Post: 12-13-2002, 10:55 AM Leon paul mask legality question By Ben[PrFC] in forum Discussion Archive Replies: 6 Last Post: 06-27-2002, 09:55 AM Success in my combat against mask moisture By Sciurus Rex in forum Discussion Archive Replies: 0 Last Post: 02-01-2002, 06:44 AM Posting Permissions You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On [VIDEO] code is On HTML code is Off Trackbacks are On Pingbacks are On Refbacks are On Forum Rules Contact Us Fencing.Net Archive Top All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:03 PM. Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.0 Copyright © 2012 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 (c) 1995 - 2010 Fencing Net; Fencing.Net, fdn, Fencing101, Epee101, Foil101, Sabre101 are all trademarks of Fencing.Net, LLC. Thank you to Replica Sword Shop for their support.