Epeeists only

[melihop]

Thank you! And to you also!!!

[Epee_Pox]

Hooray for Christmas!

And hooray for epee!

[Sciurus-Rex]

Who will be more successful: A fencer who primarily fences epee in a foil bout, or a foilist of equal skill in an epee bout?

Or another way to look at it: An epeeist and foilist, of equal skill in their respective weapons, each pick up the other blade for a bout against their counterpart. Who's gonna fare better, the foilist in an epee bout against the epeeist, or the epeeist in a foil bout against the foilist?

[jeff]

Cop-out answer: "It depends". I've done very well against some epeeists who should have known better but gave me opportunities for parry-4 ripostes, and I've had my head handed to me ("here's your head, Jeff", "thanks") by epeeists who picked me off when I made attacks.

[JEC]

Happy Holidays to the crowd that follows this thread.

Long live the EPEEISTS!

[Epee_Pox]

Originally Posted by Sciurus-Rex

Who will be more successful: A fencer who primarily fences epee in a foil bout, or a foilist of equal skill in an epee bout?

Or another way to look at it: An epeeist and foilist, of equal skill in their respective weapons, each pick up the other blade for a bout against their counterpart. Who's gonna fare better, the foilist in an epee bout against the epeeist, or the epeeist in a foil bout against the foilist?

Depends on how highly trained and specialized the fencers are. A highly-trained foilist is going to suck at epee, because the ingrained foil movements and reactions won't work. The foilist is trained to take priority with subtle movements that wouldn't work here, and is trained to score points with slight touches that wouldn't work here.

A highly-trained epeeist will not suck at foil, but foil's little fictions (such as a tap counting as a parry) will cause frustration as some of the epeeist's hits wind up not counting. ROW won't be that big a problem, however, as epee is all about taking priority if you think about it.

Although you didn't ask, I'd say a highly-trained sabreur will do extremely well in either foil or epee, once they get the hang of keeping the blade pointed at the other fellow instead of making cuts. The distance control will be on par with that of epee, if not better, and the superior blade control will beat the foilist at its own game.

[grotto]

Originally Posted by Sciurus-Rex

Who will be more successful: A fencer who primarily fences epee in a foil bout, or a foilist of equal skill in an epee bout?

Or another way to look at it: An epeeist and foilist, of equal skill in their respective weapons, each pick up the other blade for a bout against their counterpart. Who's gonna fare better, the foilist in an epee bout against the epeeist, or the epeeist in a foil bout against the foilist?

I would say the epeeist has a slight (very slight) advantage over the foilist. here is my reasoning. Foilists do not have to cover their hand and arm target while executing an attack. which put them at a disadvantage over the epeeist in the epee bout while the epeeist is trained to take the blade (whether it be parry repost or binding) and keep it through their action until the touch.

so (in my opinion) the foilists training and artifical ROW is more of a disadvantage in his epee bout than the epeeist "must counter attack" training in the foil bout.

[JEC]

Originally Posted by grotto

I would say the epeeist has a slight (very slight) advantage over the foilist. here is my reasoning. Foilists do not have to cover their hand and arm target while executing an attack. which put them at a disadvantage over the epeeist in the epee bout while the epeeist is trained to take the blade (whether it be parry repost or binding) and keep it through their action until the touch.
so (in my opinion) the foilists training and artifical ROW is more of a disadvantage in his epee bout than the epeeist "must counter attack" training in the foil bout.

Agree! Epeeist rule ... with the current foil timings.

[great bowyer]

i have found that as an epeeist, i am better at sabre. in sabre, it is easy to get the cuts to the wrist, and since most actions are the cuts, they are easier to parry. in foil, i have always had trouble with the target area and row. for the target, i always seem to hit the leg or the arm just outside of the target area...i think it has to do with my epee reactions being put into foil target area. anyways i have always found it fun to play around with the other weapons once in a while.

merry christmas

[Zasha]

Originally Posted by great bowyer

i have found that as an epeeist, i am better at sabre. in sabre, it is easy to get the cuts to the wrist, and since most actions are the cuts, they are easier to parry. in foil, i have always had trouble with the target area and row. for the target, i always seem to hit the leg or the arm just outside of the target area...i think it has to do with my epee reactions being put into foil target area. anyways i have always found it fun to play around with the other weapons once in a while.

i've found sabres to make good practice partners, mostly for footwork speed.
has anyone else read Runing With Swords ? i got it on my birthday (the 26th), and am almost finished.

[Fencergrl]

Yes! I've read it (I got it for Christmas). It was a fun read. A good book for fencers and non-fencers.

[glowstix]

hi fencergrl!! happy new year fellow epee fencers!!! this website looks different. what's up with that!??

[epeeisky]

Originally Posted by glowstix

hi fencergrl!! happy new year fellow epee fencers!!! this website looks different. what's up with that!??

It might be the upgrades, mine doesn't look a bit different though.

Edit: Scratch that this place is really different. I just didn't realize it. All the holiday food has affected my vision.

[RITFencing]

Sure it wasn't all the eggnog instead?

[Epee_Pox]

plus ca change...

[Black Jeebus]

It was probably just all those shots to the head you guys take!

[melihop]

what a disgrace! this hasn't been posted on in 12 days!!!!!

[Rapier_wit]

I keep looking at the thread, but I never know what to post. I'm not in the inner circle of the fencing.net world so I can't really say too much.

[melihop]

inner circle? hmm.. i was unaware of this inner circle.. who is in it??? ahh! confused!!!!!! either.. i am soo far away from the innter circle that i dont' even know who is it.. lol.. or... i don't know.. lol.. *confused*

"honk of you love epee"

[Zasha]

wow, it's back. and i thought this thread was dead.
but as long as there are the epeeists, i suspect there will be this thread.

*honk*